It’s not enough for “Christian” street preacher  Ruben Israel (”Humpback Mountain on the White House Lawn Makes God Sick”) to want to spew homo-hate from the sidelines of the Chicago Pride parade (as he has for several years now), but now he’s trying a new tactic — blaming the “intolerance” of parade organizers for denying him the right to march in the equality event.

“Is this not the same group that cries discrimination, if not recognized?

“Is this not the same people that will not accept us for who we are?

“Is this not the same people that demand tolerance?

“Is this not the same group that wishes to walk in Macy’s parade and [be] allowed in the ‘Boy Scouts?” Israel asked.

Spokesman Richard Pfeiffer for the Chicago homosexual group confirmed to WND that Israel had been rejected.

“We, the gay folk, have the right to exclude them from the parade,” Pfeiffer said, adding a U.S. Supreme Court decision gives his group the right to edit the opinions of groups that participate in a sponsored parade.

James Elsman, a lawyer working with Israel, said he wasn’t so sure the Chicago homosexual group was correct in that interpretation, especially since Israel has been “participating” in the parade with his protests for a number of years already.

Look at the BS Israel runs on his web site:

COMMON SENSE REASON #1

 

WHEN YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF GIRLY MEN ABUSING THEMSELVES WITH EACH OTHER IN SEXUALLY PERVERTED WAYS…THEIR BRAIN CHEMISTRY CHANGES AND THEY NO LONGER DESIRE GOD’S GIFT TO THEM….A.K.A. WOMEN.

 

THIS WICKED BEHAVIOR LEADS TO A NATURAL DECLINE IN THE POPULATION OF THE COUNTRY BECAUSE THE PERVERTS ARE NOT ABLE TO REPRODUCE. (THANK GOD)

More fun after the flip…

And one wonders why he thinks he should be invited to participate in ANY Pride festivities if we’re a threat to national security. I had to add some paragraph breaks to make this drivel barely readable.

Biblical reasons WHY homo-sex is a nation destroying sin?and therefore a threat to national security.

WHY HOMO SEX IS A THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY

Biblical reasons why homo-sex is a threat to national security:

It?s simple?the God of the Bible, the Christian God, has demonstrated His extreme prejudice against homosexuals throughout the history of His interaction with man.  The CLEAR and WEIGHTY biblical evidence found in both the Old and New Testaments supports the claim that the God of the Bible is greatly ANGERED by the sin of homosexuality.  This particular type of sin is so extremely evil and perverted in nature that it warrants divine intervention in the form of a burning indignation manifested in wrath and retribution. God has demonstrated His divine displeasure with His creatures when they willfully and flagrantly disobey His clear instructions, laws, mandates, principles and design parameters.  When the creature willfully and flagrantly disobeys the divine injunction prohibiting gross violations of the divine order of the universe then there is subsequent and consequent fallout resulting from these vile acts of willful and flagrant disobedience.

The Bible reveals the attitude and position that God takes on the subject of homosexuality.  His attitude is not positive or affirming.  His attitude is not compassionate or understanding.  His attitude is not complacent, confused or condescending. His attitude is very clear, controlled and concise.  He does not mince His words, water down His rhetoric, massage His message so as to accommodate as large an audience as possible. He does not change His mind about sin by virtue of a Gallup pole. Nor does the divine Governor of the universe rule by virtue of a democratic form of government.  The God of the Bible answers to no one but Himself. When He makes His will known about a matter such as the issue at hand He does not change His mind later because He didn?t have all the data in at the time when He first considered the subject.  He has always known all there is to know about the subject of homo sex and He qualifies it in the very strongest terms possible so that the creature might somehow come to realize how utterly repulsive and completely evil this behavior is in the eyes of God. 

The word that God uses to describe this kind of behaviour is ABOMINATION.  When the student of the Bible conducts a study of the word ABOMINATION in the original language he will find that the word conveys a sense of utter revulsion?it carries with it the concept of nausea.  The sense in which the word is used actually means that the subject matter (homo-sex) is the cause of utter revulsion and virtual nausea to the Divine One.  That is exactly how the word ABOMINATION is used in reference to the SIN of homo-sex.  Homo sex quite literally causes the Holy Spirit so much pain that if it were possible for God to vomit He would do so?This is the kind of ill feelings that evil men give to the God of the Bible?.they give Him heartburn as it were by virtue of their sexual perversity.  By their ACTIONS, by their DEEDS they heap up wrath upon themselves and they fill to the brim the very CUP OF DIVINE WRATH itself by their blatant wickedness and perversion!  When the CUP of divine wrath is filled to the point of overflowing then God will pour out a DOUBLE PORTION of divine wrath and this wrath takes several forms…

The wrath of God is revealed in the heavens and by this is meant that the God of the Bible will utilize meteorological, economical, geological, biological and anthropological tools to measure out His wrath.  Hurricanes, floods, drought, lightening, hail storms of biblical proportions, super-hurricanes, blizzards, rising ocean levels, wild seas, fierce winds, volcanic eruptions, huge forest fires & huge prairie fires consuming crops, livestock, homes, natural resources and human lives… major earthquakes, tsunamis, deadly waves of extreme heat and cold, crop failures, insect infestations, blight, rot, mold, mildew, pestilence, disease, plagues, wars, financial distress, financial indebtedness, financial bondage, wild inflation, devaluation of currency, scarcity of bread, scarcity of oil, enormous deficits and oppressive taxation….and on top of all of this God then turns the reprobate society over to experience the unlimited indulgence of its carnal desires…The JUDGMENT of God is made manifest by the unleashing of a flood of sexual perversion upon the land.  God gives the people over to be filled with the sexual perversion that they tacitly condone and grant tacit approval to.  God rebukes that society by backing away from them…letting them run wild through the house with scissors in their hands as it were.

  The God of the Bible gives that society over to a spirit of lust and sexual perversion and this in and of itself is the manifest JUDGMENT of God.  It is the manifest token of His wrath and divine displeasure!  This is but a small list of the tools available to the God of the Bible, tools that He is using even now to rebuke and rebuff a nation that has embraced homo sexuality as simply a lifestyle choice?.The hurricanes will continue until the nation repents of its decision to over rule the state sodomy laws that the Supreme Court so arrogantly struck down just prior to Katrina…REPENT and GO BACK…reverse your decision to abandon the laws that prohibit this evil wickedness or else you will continue to experience the mounting divine indignation of a highly offended and displeased Diety.


62 Responses to “Religious homobigot wants right to march in Chicago Pride”  

  1. May I just be the first to tell this schmuck’s god to go fuck himself?

    Seriously. That guy is such an asshole.


  2. resident_alien

    Warning!Warning!Idiocy and delusion have reached critical levels! Synapses overloaded!Failsafe has been initiated!All personel should be at maximum safety distance!Countdown to brain core breach meltdown…ten…nine…eight…seven…


  3. RickK

    Everything is out of context, as is always the case when right-wing nut jobs and religious zealots quote their bible (actually this gem of a human being didn’t really quote his bible, did he?). Get out your damn book and read all the things that were abominations back in your fictional old testament. Fry in your own personal hell, you hateful asshole.


  4. Kris

    I’m just super creeped out by how obsessed people are with all this. If they don’t like it, they can, y’know, STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. Especially since I don’t think anyone would read what this guy’s written and say “gee, I’ve never thought about it that way before. Guess I won’t be gay anyore!”


  5. Petey Wheatstraw

    This is a pretty shitty sermon on its own merits. Fundies believe that when God doesn’t like a society, He first “hands it over” to immoral and corrupt influences. Then, displeased with that immorality, He destroys that society. Wait, what?

    It’s a solidly Calvinist doctrine that stems from the belief–itself from the idea of predestination–that a select few are meant for Heaven because God likes them, and everyone else is going to Hell. It is un-Biblical because it ignores things like the story of Job. Just because your life is awesome doesn’t mean God likes you; likewise, just because it sucks doesn’t mean he’s mad at you.

    Pay attention, kids–this is a great example of why really stupid people make bad theologians.


  6. Naomi L

    So, God is going to throw punishment at people using ‘anthropological tools’? Like scientists/historians are suddenly going to mete out punishment? And ‘oppressive taxation’ is caused by act of God! Who knew? So you really can’t blame the Government for that tax hike after all - it was all God’s doing.
    I do love the fact that he blames MILDEW and MOLD on gay people, though :D I guess that means truly good Christians, like him, never need to scrub out their grouting.

    And if God doesn’t ‘water down’ or compromise his ruling about Abominations ever, in any way, how does he explain Jesus’ alteration of the Jewish food restrictions?


  7. Djinna

    THIS WICKED BEHAVIOR LEADS TO A NATURAL DECLINE IN THE POPULATION OF THE COUNTRY BECAUSE THE PERVERTS ARE NOT ABLE TO REPRODUCE. (THANK GOD

    So, um, when exactly did this happen? Unless he really meant it “will lead” and just screwed up his verb tenses, has there been a time when the population of the US was going down? Well, I guess durng the “Conquest of America,” the native population was probably getting decimated at a rate that outstripped the immigration and breeding of Europeans, but I don’t think that’s what he meant.

    And, as others (hmm, looks like our own MAJeff had a hand in it) have pointed out on other blogs, this is what happens when the Christians sue to get their way, they open the door to other groups to use the same tactics, whether it be excluding others from their parades, or sending notes home from school in kids’ backpacks.


  8. Naomi L

    Ha, and he misspelled Deity at the end! I don’t normally pick on spelling mistakes but that is a fairly major slip.

    Spot on, resident_alien, it just got crazier and crazier. If he was reading that out loud, I can imagine he’d have bulging eyes, pulsing forehead veins and spittle in the corners of his mouth.

    I visited the link and I see he has declared that GLBT community leaders are all despots-in-waiting.

    Quoted:

    “The real world if these people ever take over will be more of a dictatorship”…

    He (Mr Israel) said the rule of law would be: “You’ve offended me. I want to shut you down.”

    I suspect he can’t even see that he is ascribing his own motives to everyone else. After all, if HE was in charge, that’s one of the first things he’d do to anyone who displeased him - why should other people be any different?


  9. Caren

    this particular type of sin is so extremely evil and perverted in nature that it warrants divine intervention in the form of a burning indignation manifested in wrath and retribution.

    At first, I read that as “burning indigestion“, which actually makes sense as he’s referring to the same chapter of the bible that calls shellfish and multi-fiber clothes an abomination.

    This God hates shrimp! And Lycra!


  10. jon

    Whenever current rates of taxation enter a discussion of Biblical Truth (Copyright 1984, GOP Inc.,) I understand a bit more of the Righteous Woowoos’ philosophy. I now understand their fear of illegal immigration because that not-quite-wetback Moses not only entered Canaan through an unsecure border but also drove out the Canaanites. I’ll have to look closely into this. Are the Republic Party and their divinely-inspired doofuses against women’s athletics because of their hatred of women or is it just a way to keep unholy fabric blends of cotton and spandex (commonly found in athletic tights and sportsbras) away from women’s precious baby-sustaining portions?


  11. Thanks for reading this drivel so that I don’t have to.
    I didn’t get past “God’s gift to them, women…”. No one exists as a “gift to me”.


  12. Naomi L

    One more thing - sorry to threadbomb, this is the last one, I promise. Has anyone else read Pratchett’s ‘Monstrous Regiment’? Because right now I am so strongly reminded of the deity Nuggan, who went crazy and declared nearly everything to be an Abomination. His priests started to abandon him when they received the commandment that God now hated jigsaw puzzles, the colour blue and babies.

    If you pitch it right, there’s nothing that this guy’s God doesn’t hate!


  13. Dude want to go all biblical on abominations then:
    (though I notice he is a bit light on the actual quotes.)

    Ezekiel 22:28-29

    28 Her prophets whitewash these deeds for them by false visions and lying divinations. They say, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says’-when the LORD has not spoken. 29 The people of the land practice extortion and commit robbery; they oppress the poor and needy and mistreat the alien, denying them justice.[emphasis added -JP]

    But to me the most revealing item is … GOD’S GIFT TO THEM….A.K.A. WOMEN
    Now here is the gift this guy could needs.
    Oh wad some power the giftie gie us To see oursel’s as others see us! It wad frae monie a blunder free us, And foolish notion


  14. I will join Naomi in the spelling crusades. Yes, Ruben Israel’s deity doesn’t care if he’s misspelled. Better yet, He is not swayed by a Gallup pole. Is that, like, a phallocentric euphemism?

    I don’t want this guy marching in the Chicago Pride Parade! His hatred would make it non-family-friendly. Kids always love the Pride Parade, even though there’s almost no candy being tossed their way.


  15. Lizard

    I love how totally ineffectual his “God” is. He’s all-powerful, but he can’t even vomit when he feels like it, and he’s apparently so confrontation-phobic that he’s forced to take out his revulsion with the gays by throwing meteorological temper tantrums rather than sitting them down and saying “I really wish you wouldn’t do that.” God’s quite the eloquent communicator when they want him to be, and utterly obtuse in his semiotics when that serves the purpose better.

    ‘Scuse me, I’ve got to get back to running through the house with scissors.


  16. Michael T

    Gallup Pole

    Given the subject matter, a nice Freudian slip.


  17. Hurricanes, floods, drought, lightening, hail storms of biblical proportions, super-hurricanes, blizzards, rising ocean levels, wild seas, fierce winds, volcanic eruptions, huge forest fires & huge prairie fires consuming crops, livestock, homes, natural resources and human lives… major earthquakes, tsunamis, deadly waves of extreme heat and cold, crop failures, insect infestations, blight, rot, mold, mildew, pestilence, disease, plagues, wars, financial distress, financial indebtedness, financial bondage, wild inflation, devaluation of currency, scarcity of bread, scarcity of oil, enormous deficits and oppressive taxation….and on top of all of this God then turns the reprobate society over to experience the unlimited indulgence of its carnal desires…

    You forgot: cats and dogs LIVING together

    I think Good Vibes actually sells the Gallup Pole that might help this guy out. It’s on the same page as the Internalized Oppression Butterfly and the Gaydar Harness.

    Fuckwit. You can march in my parade when you don lycra and not only read, but understand, your bible.

    - God’s Gift


  18. Hurricanes, floods, drought, lightening, hail storms of biblical proportions, super-hurricanes, blizzards, rising ocean levels, wild seas, fierce winds, volcanic eruptions, huge forest fires & huge prairie fires consuming crops, livestock, homes, natural resources and human lives… major earthquakes, tsunamis, deadly waves of extreme heat and cold, crop failures, insect infestations, blight, rot, mold, mildew, pestilence, disease, plagues, wars, financial distress, financial indebtedness, financial bondage, wild inflation, devaluation of currency, scarcity of bread, scarcity of oil, enormous deficits and oppressive taxation….and on top of all of this God then turns the reprobate society over to experience the unlimited indulgence of its carnal desires…The JUDGMENT of God is made manifest by the unleashing of a flood of sexual perversion upon the land.

    I was unaware that God was in charge of economic policy — I guess I missed that in catholic school — Greenspan I 8:13 -15 And thou shall trade thy goods and monies upon the open land. And I will smite that trading when when it displeases me, for I am the Lord, thy God.

    I thing this jackass’ entire screed it the very definition of scape goating — it is hilariously evil in its breadth and hatred.


  19. He’s done kind of a neat trick here. Notice how he mentions extreme temperature and rising ocean levels….see! global warming is all the fault of the homos!


  20. Yes sir, in the 20th Century, America turned away from God and allowed pornography, homosexuality, premarital sex, filthy-mouthed comics, atheism, and lesbian mudwrestling to prevail in America.

    And guess what? we ended the 20th century as the most powerful nation in the world, with a vibrant economy, the respect of the rest of the world never higher–and starting as a second-rate power with an anemic economy that bowed before the European Giant.

    And then we switched from an adulterer president to a fundamentalist president, and what has been the result? We’ve been beset by terrorist attacks, natural disasters that destroyed entire cities, a collapsing economy, the enmity of the rest of the world, and our once mighty military can’t even control one little backwater country.

    Tell me, Mr. Israel, which America is God mad at?

    I’d say it’s yours.


  21. I find it interesting that Ruben Israel doesn’t actually cite or quote the Bible on this. His sermon is standard fare in every sense but that one.


  22. Grilltacular

    Wow, this guy is crazy. Kind of a jerk about it too.
    On top of all that, he charges $45 for a “Turn or Burn” baseball cap!


  23. Lonzrick L'Amour

    I say let them in the pride parade. But do a Bushco number on them and put them on a free-speech float. That’d be on wheelbarrow, located about 3.5 miles away, in a fenced in section of the backlot of a scrapyard.


  24. THEIR BRAIN CHEMISTRY CHANGES AND THEY NO LONGER DESIRE GOD’S GIFT TO THEM….A.K.A. WOMEN.

    another bout of inadvertent honesty.


  25. I think this guy’s rant can be fixed quite simply — he has his Levitical theology almost right, but not quite:

    It’s simple: the God of the Bible, the Christian God, has demonstrated His extreme prejudice against userers and those who ignore than laws of the Sabbatical and Jubilee years throughout the history of His interaction with man. The CLEAR and WEIGHTY biblical evidence found in both the Old and New Testaments supports the claim that the God of the Bible is greatly ANGERED by the sins of usery, gleaning and perversions of justice. This particular type of sin is so extremely evil and perverted in nature that it warrants divine intervention in the form of a burning indignation manifested in wrath and retribution. God has demonstrated His divine displeasure with His creatures when they willfully and flagrantly disobey His clear instructions, laws, mandates, principles and design parameters. When the creature willfully and flagrantly disobeys the divine injunction prohibiting gross violations of the divine order of the universe then there is subsequent and consequent fallout resulting from these vile acts of willful and flagrant disobedience.

    So I presume that the good preacher will be moving to outlaw interest, institute a system of periodic cancelation of debts, establish a system of “sacrifices” whereby each person has to go, with some meat, grain and veggies, to some central location for a great big potluck BBQ at which the poor and hungry can eat their fill, outlaw the gleaning of crops by farm owners so that the poor can do the gleaning, etc., with due haste?

    If not, then what does he know of Biblical morality?


  26. GOD’S GIFT TO THEM….A.K.A. WOMEN.

    Just as some men think they are God’s gift to womankind, some women think they are God’s gift to mankind. I guess this guy has dated one too many of such women?


  27. Caroline

    Caren:

    At first, I read that as “burning indigestion“

    Well, he does go on to say:

    Homo sex quite literally causes the Holy Spirit so much pain that if it were possible for God to vomit He would do so?This is the kind of ill feelings that evil men give to the God of the Bible?.they give Him heartburn as it were by virtue of their sexual perversity.

    So there you go. Burning indigestion.

    I’d take some Pepto, but I guess God might need something a little stronger. A solution of baking soda? Maybe God needs to sit calmly and meditate for ten minutes. It sounds like he gets too upset.


  28. K

    …(homo-sex) is the cause of utter revulsion and virtual nausea to the Divine One.

    Yes, we worship a Vomiting God.


  29. little cabbage

    I ain’t God’s gift to nobody. Except myself.


  30. JoAsakura

    Wow, and to think, someone showed me his soulmate on YouTube the other day.

    WTF with the industrial-strength crazy with these people?


  31. … major earthquakes…

    I remember this kind of ranting when the 1989 earthquake happened in San Francisco. Sodom and Gomorrah, God’s wrath against the stinking homosexuals, etc.

    Except that the largely straight yuppie Marina district was the one that caught on fire, the churches were among the most heavily damaged buildings… and the gay gay gay Castro district was relatively unharmed.

    I guess God just has really crappy aim. Must be disoriented from the nausea.

    Oh, and just for the record: He’s full of shit in more ways than the obvious ones. Straight people are welcome at every Gay Pride parade I’ve ever been to. They’re not refusing him because he’s straight. They’re refusing him for the same reason a Chinese New Year’s parade would refuse a racist who wanted to march in their parade with sign saying “Ch—s go home.”


  32. Sycorax

    I say let him march in the Pride parade. And hand out super-soakers to the spectators.


  33. ElizabethTX

    Sooo, why didn’t Katrina or Rita hit Houston where the “abominators” who were convicted of sodomy lived? Oh, I guess the Rita Evacuation traffic jam was God’s retribution on Houston. Sort of mild compared to Katrina, don’t you think?


  34. Ms Kate

    All those wicked senior citizens on that bus …

    Right.

    For a Supreme Being, He sure has shitty aim!


  35. Ms Kate

    And hand out super-soakers to the spectators.

    Oh noes?!?!?! WATERSPORTS!


  36. Ellie

    I have a mundane, practical question.

    How do they do it? Find the time in what are revealed to be otherwise ordinary lives, requiring the substantial upkeep that even ordinary lives do, to do this hatin’. The hatin’ itself is usually unjustifiable by their own codes and/or too flimsily to cause this kind of imflammation. Nor is the return on the energy expended reliably good enough to warrant the HUGE effort to arrange and execute the hatin’.

    What I want to know is, is there some fantastic organizing program haters use that I’ve missed out on? Because I’m fairly organized and even days of light activity — were I have to observe radio silence to get the few hours/wk of quality alone ass-scratching TV-catchup time I need to keep my sanity — require that I block a free period ahead of time. Even if I wanted to wear a sandwich board to make miserable the lives of people who offend me, where and how would I find the time? And gadget?


  37. Just as some men think they are God’s gift to womankind, some women think they are God’s gift to mankind. I guess this guy has dated one too many of such women?

    I very much doubt this has anything to do with any actual woman’s opinion. This man thinks women are god’s gift to him. Plain, simple entitlement. Dating doesn’t have to enter into it, and I feel fairly sure it doesn’t.


  38. He can’t even bother to cite his source? Shoddy.


  39. Hysterical Woman

    God also gets indigestion from shellfish and pork, as well as homo-sex.


  40. I love how on the site, near the bottom of the page, it has a “FILE A LAWSUIT NOW!” link.


  41. Bitter Scribe

    He does not change His mind about sin by virtue of a Gallup pole.

    No? But what if the pole is really, really…oh, never mind. Too easy.


  42. Kumachka

    Gift means poison in German.

    Insert requisite misogynist joke here please. I mean, in addition to the freak show that is Mr. Israel.


  43. Crazy Maisie

    As a hetero female who simply has never had any desire to bat for the same team, I really can’t understand why these people are so obsessed with homosexual sex. The thought of being intimate with another woman doesn’t repulse me, doesn’t make me want to vomit - it just isn’t appealing, in the same way I don’t find mint chocolate chip ice cream appealing. Other people do. Great. None for me, thanks. Move along, nothing to see here.


  44. Ms Kate

    Gallup? Pole? OMFG! TEH HORSE SEX!!


  45. angry irish liberal

    Methinks Mr. Israel (betcha thats not his real name) needs to get laid, he might be a happier person.


  46. hbsweet

    WHEN YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF GIRLY MEN ABUSING THEMSELVES WITH EACH OTHER IN SEXUALLY PERVERTED WAYS…THEIR BRAIN CHEMISTRY CHANGES AND THEY NO LONGER DESIRE GOD’S GIFT TO THEM….A.K.A. WOMEN.
    THIS WICKED BEHAVIOR LEADS TO A NATURAL DECLINE IN THE POPULATION OF THE COUNTRY BECAUSE THE PERVERTS ARE NOT ABLE TO REPRODUCE.

    –If Mr. Israel had only thought about this a little while longer, he would have realized that since the perverts are the ones who can’t reproduce, they will be the part of the population that declines, you see. Let them have their sexually perverted ways: they’re causing their own extinction.

    /snark/

    This is a whole new brand of crazy, at least to me.


  47. And hand out super-soakers to the spectators.
    Oh noes?!?!?! WATERSPORTS!

    I thought the supersoakers were to rinse the lesbian mudwrestlers after they finished wrecking the country - ?


  48. hbsweet: I thought of that, too, but then again, his stance there also seems to contradict the usual anti-gay line that it’s a choice, not something one is born as, or generally more nature than nurture. I’m not sure just where he comes down on that.
    It’s hard to figure out where they’re coming from when their contradictions contradict their other contradictions, isn’t it?


  49. Oh I hope he marches. Right next to a couple of great barbell-pounding fellows from your local Eagle bar. I hope he marches arm-in-arm.

    Would pay green cash for the video.


  50. karpad

    HOMOSEXUALS ARE BAD/EVIL/STUPID BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN EDUCATED STUPID BY EVIL TEACHERS. MAN/WOMAN IS DUALITY/QUADRALITY. TRUTH IS 4 NOT 1. REAL MORALITY IS TIME CUBE. HOMOSEXUALITY = 1 GENDER = WRONG.

    see, I knew I’d seen this before.


  51. Bill S

    Bruce/Crablaw-
    that would be super-the two bodybuilders could each hold one arm, and make a wish.


  52. JoAsakura

    Karpad, you’re my hero.


  53. CJS

    Homo sex quite literally causes the Holy Spirit so much pain that if it were possible for God to vomit He would do so?This is the kind of ill feelings that evil men give to the God of the Bible?.they give Him heartburn as it were by virtue of their sexual perversity.

    Wow, what a lame deity. It can’t even vomit but I’m supposed to believe that it created the world in six days?


  54. Peter

    Seriously, I think they should let his group march in the parade. Possibly behind a group of volunteers with some polite form of “The opinions expressed by the group behind us are their own and do not reflect those of the organizers of the parade” banner, and followed by a “we now resume our regularly scheduled parade” banner.

    Then the group will get miles and miles of direct response to their efforts. And it will be televised, right along with all the groups of normal, well-balanced, family-friendly people. They’ll look like complete idiots.

    The group has a point - gay people ask to be included in parades run by people who want to exclude us. (Though being “Proud to be gay and Irish” is hardly the same as being an anti-Irish group asking to be in the St. Patrick’s Day parade). So call them on it.

    Let them march - and under the same rules of behavior that apply to everyone else. What makes me think that they either won’t pay their parade fee or simply just won’t show up at all on Pride day?

    If they do show up, put the gay religious groups around them in the parade. (and have someone on hand to clean things up when their intolerant brains explode all over the parade route.)

    Peter


  55. “The group has a point - gay people ask to be included in parades run by people who want to exclude us. (Though being “Proud to be gay and Irishâ€? is hardly the same as being an anti-Irish group asking to be in the St. Patrick’s Day parade).”

    Yeah, it’s really not the same. But let’s not forget that the organizers of that parade–technically not the city of Boston, but a private group–Boston would have had to include the gay group–successfully got the Supreme Court to say that their right to free speech would be infringed by applying MA’s antidiscrimination law to make them include a message they disagreed with in their parade. There is no right to be in a parade organized by a private group–especially a private advocacy group–if your inclusion would dilute or contradict their message. If the Moral Majority organizes a parade, they don’t have to let me in with my “Yay for Abortion!” float. If the NAACP has a parade, they don’t have to let the KKK have a float, either. That’s how it goes.

    And actually, from a practical point of view, I don’t think they should be allowed to participate. I think it would distract from the message organizers want to send, and be upsetting to people who come to Pride events to find community and support.


  56. Tina H

    Crazy Maisie - you don’t desire mint chocolate chip ice cream? You don’t yearn for it with every fiber of your being? Now, people, THAT is an abomination.

    ;-)

    This from a woman who doesn’t like eggplant.


  57. Peter

    And actually, from a practical point of view, I don’t think they should be allowed to participate. I think it would distract from the message organizers want to send, and be upsetting to people who come to Pride events to find community and support.

    You’re right, of course. I wasn’t trying to say that the Pride parade people should be required to accept them. They definitely have the right to exclude anyone. And they would be absolutely legally justified in doing so. But it would make a very powerful “we’re secure enough in ourselves” message.

    The organizers definitely need to have some say in who participates, even those who might claim that they aren’t anti-gay (NAMBLA leaps to mind). The entirely correct answer to those groups is “so hold your own parade.”

    Just being flippant, but wouldn’t it be choice to let them in the parade, but then have them follow group with a banner that said something along the lines of “Closeted people are the most homophobic.”


  58. Rick Massimo

    James Elsman, a lawyer working with Israel, said he wasn’t so sure the Chicago homosexual group was correct in that interpretation, especially since Israel has been “participating� in the parade with his protests for a number of years already.

    Awesome! So all I have to do is stand outside the White House and yell a few times and they’ll invite me in to their policy discussions?


  59. MAJeff

    The group has a point - gay people ask to be included in parades run by people who want to exclude us. (Though being “Proud to be gay and Irish� is hardly the same as being an anti-Irish group asking to be in the St. Patrick’s Day parade). So call them on it.

    And it is the Supreme Court rulidng about keeping homos out of Boston’s St. Patrick’s Day parade (excuse me, Evacuation Day) that allows the Chicagoe Pride Organizers to exclude the “Rev.” Israel.


  60. Flamethorn

    Go with Peter’s idea from 9:47, but replace the

    “The opinions expressed by the group behind us are their own and do not reflect those of the organizers of the parade� banner

    with

    <closet>

    and replace the

    “we now resume our regularly scheduled parade� banner

    with

    </closet>


  61. resident_alien

    Good one,Flamethorn!


  62. […] This year, however, it appears we’ve got a new, more infamous fella who wants to tell us Chicago Pride-goers that we’re sinners, and not just from the sidewalk, either. No, hatemonger Ruben Israel wants to march in the Pride parade with his anti-gay (excuse us, we mean anti-”homo sex”) message, and is claiming that the parade organizers are discriminating against him by not allowing him to do it. (Though his message about this is far from embracing diversity and freedom: “You’ve offended me. I want to shut you down.”) But we’re with Pandagon in wondering why he wants to be around all the threats to national security that’ll be present at Pride anyway. Wouldn’t it be safer for him to protest all the other folks he hates on that day, like Mormons, citizens of New Orleans, motorcyclists, Superbowl fans, and Hooters patrons? […]


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