Comments on: Time to open up the Overton window some more: Abortion is a moral good http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/ Just another WordPress weblog Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:05:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: Abortion is apparantly "a moral good" « http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/#comment-370836 Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:29:24 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/#comment-370836 [...] I can’t believe that there are people out there like Amanda Marcotte. Amanda is one of the contributors to the Pandagon, and the author of this little gem here. [...] […] I can’t believe that there are people out there like Amanda Marcotte. Amanda is one of the contributors to the Pandagon, and the author of this little gem here. […]

]]> by: Hawise http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/#comment-370446 Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:09:31 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/#comment-370446 Nice Work- I can see how dying would be inconvenient. I can see how becoming permanently disabled might be inconvenient. I can see how having to watch your child die might be inconvenient. Of course these things never happen to pregnant women and so there is no need to prepare any means by which we deal with such an inconvenience. Afterall mitigating harm before it happens isn't very moral is it? This is snark. I have little to no patience with people who chose to live in lala land because it hasn't happened to them and so it can't happen. Nice Work- I can see how dying would be inconvenient. I can see how becoming permanently disabled might be inconvenient. I can see how having to watch your child die might be inconvenient. Of course these things never happen to pregnant women and so there is no need to prepare any means by which we deal with such an inconvenience. Afterall mitigating harm before it happens isn’t very moral is it?

This is snark. I have little to no patience with people who chose to live in lala land because it hasn’t happened to them and so it can’t happen.

]]> by: Nice work http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/#comment-370183 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:51:53 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/#comment-370183 pariahuna Abortion is not moral at all. You are extinguishing a potential human. I dont see how one can argue that morality is subjective. Something is either immoral because it causes harm, or moral because it does not. I dont see how having a child is harmful to a woman in most circumstances, it may be an inconvienience, but everyone has to deal with them from time to time. pariahuna

Abortion is not moral at all. You are extinguishing a potential human. I dont see how one can argue that morality is subjective. Something is either immoral because it causes harm, or moral because it does not. I dont see how having a child is harmful to a woman in most circumstances, it may be an inconvienience, but everyone has to deal with them from time to time.

]]> by: Nice work http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/#comment-370179 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:40:07 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/#comment-370179 Ruby and Roy. Nice work, you are both idiots. A woman may do whatever they wish to their body, however a fetus or zygote is a potential person. It is not the fault of the fetus that it was created, it is the fault of a man and woman. Why deny the right to live of a potential human when you yourself were granted this gift. Ruby and Roy. Nice work, you are both idiots. A woman may do whatever they wish to their body, however a fetus or zygote is a potential person. It is not the fault of the fetus that it was created, it is the fault of a man and woman. Why deny the right to live of a potential human when you yourself were granted this gift.

]]> by: Adam P. http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/#comment-370012 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:03:03 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/#comment-370012 I have a hard time determining my stance on the act of abortion. On one hand, a person would be born into this world, one whom will have a chance at life, a chance to suceed, fall in love, raise children, and experience the pleasures of life. On the other hand, any selfish degenerate who would have an abortion not only is selfish, they also do not deserve to procreate at all. They are worse than a man that abandons his children because they are denying the right to live to a potential human being. There are ways to pawn off your child to another person, furthermore, there are also ways to not get pregnant in the first place. It is not the fault of anyone that women are the ones who carry children. It is evolution. If women were not they way they are now, then there would be no humans at all and thus no way for feminists to continue there selfish, deluded existence. I have a hard time determining my stance on the act of abortion. On one hand, a person would be born into this world, one whom will have a chance at life, a chance to suceed, fall in love, raise children, and experience the pleasures of life. On the other hand, any selfish degenerate who would have an abortion not only is selfish, they also do not deserve to procreate at all. They are worse than a man that abandons his children because they are denying the right to live to a potential human being. There are ways to pawn off your child to another person, furthermore, there are also ways to not get pregnant in the first place. It is not the fault of anyone that women are the ones who carry children. It is evolution. If women were not they way they are now, then there would be no humans at all and thus no way for feminists to continue there selfish, deluded existence.

]]> by: Threads from Henry’s Web » Blog Archive » Abortion and Moral Good-An Illustration of Extremes http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/#comment-369958 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:06:21 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/#comment-369958 [...] A post on the evangelical outpost alerted me to a minor tempest about abortion rights. It seems that Amanda Marcotte believes that abortion is a moral good, something to be celebrated. [...] […] A post on the evangelical outpost alerted me to a minor tempest about abortion rights. It seems that Amanda Marcotte believes that abortion is a moral good, something to be celebrated. […]

]]> by: magickitty http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/#comment-369657 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:50:30 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/#comment-369657 Justin, you make me ill. You said:<blockquote>Most teenagers, people for that matter, do not posses the RESPONSIBILITY and SELF CONTROL necessary to accomplish this [abstinence]...</blockquote> This is <i>exactly</i> why we need to provide teens with adequate education and unhindered access to birth control. If I think my teen is going to go out and have sex anyway (despite my careful parenting of course), I am going to teach him as much as I possibly can about STDs and pregnancy, and make sure there's a big-ass box of condoms in the bathroom that will be refilled when empty, no questions asked. You make me ill because you would set your children up for failure. You would preach abstinence to your children, whom, despite their instilled sense of self-worth and responsibility, might <i>still</i> go out and have sex. And you will not have provided them the tools with which to protect themselves from pregnancy or disease - you will have only provided them with a surefire way for you to heap guilt and shame upon them, for something they could not control, and which you <i>fully expect</i> them to be unable to control. Shame. On. You. Justin, you make me ill. You said:
Most teenagers, people for that matter, do not posses the RESPONSIBILITY and SELF CONTROL necessary to accomplish this [abstinence]…

This is exactly why we need to provide teens with adequate education and unhindered access to birth control. If I think my teen is going to go out and have sex anyway (despite my careful parenting of course), I am going to teach him as much as I possibly can about STDs and pregnancy, and make sure there’s a big-ass box of condoms in the bathroom that will be refilled when empty, no questions asked.

You make me ill because you would set your children up for failure. You would preach abstinence to your children, whom, despite their instilled sense of self-worth and responsibility, might still go out and have sex. And you will not have provided them the tools with which to protect themselves from pregnancy or disease - you will have only provided them with a surefire way for you to heap guilt and shame upon them, for something they could not control, and which you fully expect them to be unable to control. Shame. On. You.

]]> by: FRC Blog http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/#comment-369633 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:50:56 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/#comment-369633 <strong>Abortion as a Moral Good?...</strong> Amanda Marcotte, the blogger who worked for John Edwards campaign before she fell victim to the "right wing noise machine", has an interesting take on abortion: To see that abortion is moral, you just need to look at women as...... Abortion as a Moral Good?…

Amanda Marcotte, the blogger who worked for John Edwards campaign before she fell victim to the “right wing noise machine”, has an interesting take on abortion: To see that abortion is moral, you just need to look at women as……

]]> by: the evangelical outpost http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/#comment-369626 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:12:10 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/#comment-369626 <strong>Abortion as a Moral Good?...</strong> Amanda Marcotte, the blogger who worked for John Edwards campaign before she fell victim to the "right wing noise machine", has an interesting take on abortion: To see that abortion is moral, you just need to look at women as...... Abortion as a Moral Good?…

Amanda Marcotte, the blogger who worked for John Edwards campaign before she fell victim to the “right wing noise machine”, has an interesting take on abortion: To see that abortion is moral, you just need to look at women as……

]]> by: Hawise http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/#comment-369298 Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:31:34 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/#comment-369298 Justin, I hope that the pink-coloured glasses never fall off and that you and your family can continue to live under its pastel glow. However for those of us who live in a world where plans go awry for reasons that have nothing to do with us and where being treated as adults in an adult world is important to us, the whole point of being pro-choice is because we are responsible, ethical, concerned people who have looked at all available options and have chosen. You don't have to like the choices, you don't have to morally approve those choices and you don't have to live those choices. What we object to is forcing others to live YOUR life choices in THEIR lives. Stop being an ignorant git and get it through your head that FORCING others to do things your way is not a moral good and is in fact a moral evil. You cannot make people do good by force, if you think you are so good then live your life as an example to others. Abortion is a tool, preferably of last resort but just a tool. Justin, I hope that the pink-coloured glasses never fall off and that you and your family can continue to live under its pastel glow. However for those of us who live in a world where plans go awry for reasons that have nothing to do with us and where being treated as adults in an adult world is important to us, the whole point of being pro-choice is because we are responsible, ethical, concerned people who have looked at all available options and have chosen. You don’t have to like the choices, you don’t have to morally approve those choices and you don’t have to live those choices. What we object to is forcing others to live YOUR life choices in THEIR lives. Stop being an ignorant git and get it through your head that FORCING others to do things your way is not a moral good and is in fact a moral evil. You cannot make people do good by force, if you think you are so good then live your life as an example to others. Abortion is a tool, preferably of last resort but just a tool.

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