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		<title>by: Amanda Marcotte</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/24/feminists-for-life-wants-to-know-if-youve-quit-thinking-yet/#comment-307310</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>What makes me sad is that everything a single mother in poverty needs should be coming from the government with the only string attached that her child is cared for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What makes me sad is that everything a single mother in poverty needs should be coming from the government with the only string attached that her child is cared for.
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		<title>by: mythago</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/24/feminists-for-life-wants-to-know-if-youve-quit-thinking-yet/#comment-307277</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 17:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>magikmama, do they take contributions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>magikmama, do they take contributions?
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		<title>by: bellatrys</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/24/feminists-for-life-wants-to-know-if-youve-quit-thinking-yet/#comment-307090</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 14:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Alon Levy, that's simply not true. Women still do die of pregancy and complications in the US, even with insurance and hospitals. The condition placenta praevia, frex, can kill you in minutes if you start hemmoraging: choosing to continue a pregnancy in that case is quite literally playing Russian Roulette with your life. The chance is (and always was) small, but very real, that it won't sort itself out as the pregnancy progresses, and you might rip open inside and bleed out before they can get a transfusion going.

If that doesn't scare you from the thought of casual childbirth, I'm not sure what will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Alon Levy, that&#8217;s simply not true. Women still do die of pregancy and complications in the US, even with insurance and hospitals. The condition placenta praevia, frex, can kill you in minutes if you start hemmoraging: choosing to continue a pregnancy in that case is quite literally playing Russian Roulette with your life. The chance is (and always was) small, but very real, that it won&#8217;t sort itself out as the pregnancy progresses, and you might rip open inside and bleed out before they can get a transfusion going.</p>
	<p>If that doesn&#8217;t scare you from the thought of casual childbirth, I&#8217;m not sure what will.
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		<title>by: R. Mildred</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/24/feminists-for-life-wants-to-know-if-youve-quit-thinking-yet/#comment-307049</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 13:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Oddly enough, the people who run it are 100% pro-choice.&lt;/i&gt;

That's not at all odd, the most a basic requirement for being anti-choice is a deep seated refusal to know anythin about pregnancies, motherhood or raising a child - whereas it's very hard to know everything needed knowing to run a decent CPC and to not be pro-choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Oddly enough, the people who run it are 100% pro-choice.</i></p>
	<p>That&#8217;s not at all odd, the most a basic requirement for being anti-choice is a deep seated refusal to know anythin about pregnancies, motherhood or raising a child - whereas it&#8217;s very hard to know everything needed knowing to run a decent CPC and to not be pro-choice.
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		<title>by: johanna</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/24/feminists-for-life-wants-to-know-if-youve-quit-thinking-yet/#comment-306996</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/24/feminists-for-life-wants-to-know-if-youve-quit-thinking-yet/#comment-306996</guid>
					<description>Amanda-I've been lurking and reading this series since it started.  Thank you for your &quot;sassy put-downs&quot; and fantastic analysis, getting the e-mails sent to you instead of poisoning my mailbox.  I've thoroughly enjoyed it! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Amanda-I&#8217;ve been lurking and reading this series since it started.  Thank you for your &#8220;sassy put-downs&#8221; and fantastic analysis, getting the e-mails sent to you instead of poisoning my mailbox.  I&#8217;ve thoroughly enjoyed it! <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: magikmama</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/24/feminists-for-life-wants-to-know-if-youve-quit-thinking-yet/#comment-306929</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/24/feminists-for-life-wants-to-know-if-youve-quit-thinking-yet/#comment-306929</guid>
					<description>we have something akin to a good CPC in these parts - but 1) they don't call themselves a CPC and 2) they decidedly advertise that they are only for young women who have already made the choice to continue their pregnancies. 

Oddly enough, the people who run it are 100% pro-choice. They just thought there should be an option for those who chose parenthood. Instead of guilt and maybe some diapers, they offer counseling, prenatal/postnatal care, parenthood classes, clothing, bedding, baby supplies, diapers, mentoring and job training, up until the baby is 5.

This group covers both first time mothers and fathers up to the age of 25. Their only requirement is that they come for weekly meetings, but they offer transportation and childcare and the meetings can be at any time of day between 6 am and midnight 6 days a week, so it's not an arduous requirment. They help these families connect with others in their situation, and help them get the tools they need in order to be successful parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>we have something akin to a good CPC in these parts - but 1) they don&#8217;t call themselves a CPC and 2) they decidedly advertise that they are only for young women who have already made the choice to continue their pregnancies. </p>
	<p>Oddly enough, the people who run it are 100% pro-choice. They just thought there should be an option for those who chose parenthood. Instead of guilt and maybe some diapers, they offer counseling, prenatal/postnatal care, parenthood classes, clothing, bedding, baby supplies, diapers, mentoring and job training, up until the baby is 5.</p>
	<p>This group covers both first time mothers and fathers up to the age of 25. Their only requirement is that they come for weekly meetings, but they offer transportation and childcare and the meetings can be at any time of day between 6 am and midnight 6 days a week, so it&#8217;s not an arduous requirment. They help these families connect with others in their situation, and help them get the tools they need in order to be successful parents.
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		<title>by: mythago</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/24/feminists-for-life-wants-to-know-if-youve-quit-thinking-yet/#comment-306918</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Iâ€™ve often thought that Crisis Pregnancy Centers could be such wonderful resources for women who would rather not terminate their pregnancies if they werenâ€™t such guilt-tripping, lying, religio-propaganda spouting entities.&lt;/i&gt;

Word. There are certainly women who don't WANT to discuss the option of abortion, and could use real support. I wouldn't trust people who think abortion causes breast cancer to be able to give a pregnant woman &lt;i&gt;useful&lt;/i&gt;  medical advice, much less help her get WIC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Iâ€™ve often thought that Crisis Pregnancy Centers could be such wonderful resources for women who would rather not terminate their pregnancies if they werenâ€™t such guilt-tripping, lying, religio-propaganda spouting entities.</i></p>
	<p>Word. There are certainly women who don&#8217;t WANT to discuss the option of abortion, and could use real support. I wouldn&#8217;t trust people who think abortion causes breast cancer to be able to give a pregnant woman <i>useful</i>  medical advice, much less help her get WIC.
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		<title>by: kate</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/24/feminists-for-life-wants-to-know-if-youve-quit-thinking-yet/#comment-305753</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 20:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Oh, oh, oh. Look, look, look. See Mommy celebrate womanhood. Count the pretty martini glasses. One, two, three, four, five. Mommy sure has a lot to celebrate every afternoon.&quot;

Look at Mommy drink,

One glass for Tommy who has to clean his room
One glass for Becca who's looking at boys too soon
One glass for Jimmy with arm in cast and bill to boot
One glass for Susie who just ran out the door in her birthday suit
and one for the little one in the crib, crying for a diaper change

Oh what fun for mommy today
Why does she always say, &quot;Go away! Go away!&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Oh, oh, oh. Look, look, look. See Mommy celebrate womanhood. Count the pretty martini glasses. One, two, three, four, five. Mommy sure has a lot to celebrate every afternoon.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Look at Mommy drink,</p>
	<p>One glass for Tommy who has to clean his room<br />
One glass for Becca who&#8217;s looking at boys too soon<br />
One glass for Jimmy with arm in cast and bill to boot<br />
One glass for Susie who just ran out the door in her birthday suit<br />
and one for the little one in the crib, crying for a diaper change</p>
	<p>Oh what fun for mommy today<br />
Why does she always say, &#8220;Go away! Go away!&#8221;?
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		<title>by: BJSurvivor</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/24/feminists-for-life-wants-to-know-if-youve-quit-thinking-yet/#comment-305512</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 13:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Itâ€™s entirely possible to be â€œpro-lifeâ€? without wanting to prohibit abortion or use fear and shame to prevent women from getting them. A pro-life feminist might well argue that the way to end abortion is for safe, affordable contraception to be available to all women and for women to have control over their bodies rather than being playthings of men.

She wouldnâ€™t wallow in the Girls Are For Breeding nonsense that powers FFL, though. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Mythago, as long as this includes allowing safe, legal abortion, I much prefer your definition of &quot;pro-life&quot; to the one currently in practice.  

I've often thought that Crisis Pregnancy Centers could be such wonderful resources for women who would rather not terminate their pregnancies if they weren't such guilt-tripping, lying, religio-propaganda spouting entities.  Rep. Henry Waxman conducted a study in which he found that 87% of CPCs lied to (abortion/breast cancer, post-abortion depression, embryo/fetus feels pain at day 1, etc.) their &quot;patients&quot; who came seeking help.  I'd like to know who the 13% are so that I &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; recommend them to women, but, so far, no one has come forth with a positive CPC experience. *sigh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p><i>Itâ€™s entirely possible to be â€œpro-lifeâ€? without wanting to prohibit abortion or use fear and shame to prevent women from getting them. A pro-life feminist might well argue that the way to end abortion is for safe, affordable contraception to be available to all women and for women to have control over their bodies rather than being playthings of men.</p>
	<p>She wouldnâ€™t wallow in the Girls Are For Breeding nonsense that powers FFL, though. </i></p></blockquote>
	<p>Mythago, as long as this includes allowing safe, legal abortion, I much prefer your definition of &#8220;pro-life&#8221; to the one currently in practice.  </p>
	<p>I&#8217;ve often thought that Crisis Pregnancy Centers could be such wonderful resources for women who would rather not terminate their pregnancies if they weren&#8217;t such guilt-tripping, lying, religio-propaganda spouting entities.  Rep. Henry Waxman conducted a study in which he found that 87% of CPCs lied to (abortion/breast cancer, post-abortion depression, embryo/fetus feels pain at day 1, etc.) their &#8220;patients&#8221; who came seeking help.  I&#8217;d like to know who the 13% are so that I <i>can</i> recommend them to women, but, so far, no one has come forth with a positive CPC experience. *sigh
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		<title>by: has_te</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/24/feminists-for-life-wants-to-know-if-youve-quit-thinking-yet/#comment-305422</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 12:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>1)&quot;.....make someone the media darling of the moment.....smug and satisfied in the short run.&quot;
Shit!....that sounds like my blo`godess*. I am so proud of her.

2)'Internalize' = set firmly in the 'belief' lockbox.

*[just tried that..?on a second look...oh well- it's meant -well]
                            Happ be with ye .Do well &amp;amp; enjoy good fortune in the New Year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>1)&#8221;&#8230;..make someone the media darling of the moment&#8230;..smug and satisfied in the short run.&#8221;<br />
Shit!&#8230;.that sounds like my blo`godess*. I am so proud of her.</p>
	<p>2)&#8217;Internalize&#8217; = set firmly in the &#8216;belief&#8217; lockbox.</p>
	<p>*[just tried that..?on a second look&#8230;oh well- it&#8217;s meant -well]<br />
                            Happ be with ye .Do well &amp; enjoy good fortune in the New Year.
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