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		<title>by: bimshire68</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/08/feminists-for-lifes-next-project-is-a-ban-on-tampons/#comment-292226</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>While I am not an adoptee, I was raised as a black West Indian in an overwhelmingly WASP (white, Anglo-Saxon AND Protestant) town for the first four years of my life in the US.    Then, we moved to a town that was also majority white but overwhelmingly Jewish, particularly in the advanced classes in school, where I found myself.

I can honestly say, being in a place in which nobody looked like me was fascinating at times and frustrating at times.  I developed a strong appreciation for cultures and languages and religions that were different from my own; in fact, I'm still one of the only black people I know that knows the words to Ma'oz Tzur in Hebrew.  

Is it difficult to be &quot;the other&quot;?  You bet.  But, the older I get the more I realize that everyone is always already the other in one context or another.  Learning how to negotiate that and to be proud of yourself--learning how to help your child negotiate that--that is the challenge.  I don't think that challenge is particular to adoptive parents.  So, frankly, I don't see this as a problem when it comes to transracial adoption.

What I will highlight is something far more practical: only in the last 2 years has Covergirl started to carry makeup for people darker than a paper bag.  Pantyhose, hair products, some forms of skin-care--all of these can be race-specific, particularly for medium to dark brown-skinned peoples; and I can testify that when I went to college in the Boston metropolitan area, I had a devil of a time finding these where I lived.   

More subtly, clothing stores in dominant culture towns often don't have clothing in colors that complement medium to dark-brown skin.  Note, for instance the colors of West African traditional clothing (or West Indian clothing) and compare them to any colors you can find at Benetton or the Gap.  These are the sorts of things that can drive little girl-children crazy--whether or not they are adopted.  And it is this subtle, structural racism that can be ego-destructive.

None of this is to negate transracial adoption.  I rather think that's important and necessary, especially for adoptable children of color in the United States.    Rather, it is to point out that sometimes being a transracial adoptive parent means that you will have to act as a race traitor and a rights activist--but that's only because you'll have fallen in love with the &quot;other.&quot;  And that's a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>While I am not an adoptee, I was raised as a black West Indian in an overwhelmingly WASP (white, Anglo-Saxon AND Protestant) town for the first four years of my life in the US.    Then, we moved to a town that was also majority white but overwhelmingly Jewish, particularly in the advanced classes in school, where I found myself.</p>
	<p>I can honestly say, being in a place in which nobody looked like me was fascinating at times and frustrating at times.  I developed a strong appreciation for cultures and languages and religions that were different from my own; in fact, I&#8217;m still one of the only black people I know that knows the words to Ma&#8217;oz Tzur in Hebrew.  </p>
	<p>Is it difficult to be &#8220;the other&#8221;?  You bet.  But, the older I get the more I realize that everyone is always already the other in one context or another.  Learning how to negotiate that and to be proud of yourself&#8211;learning how to help your child negotiate that&#8211;that is the challenge.  I don&#8217;t think that challenge is particular to adoptive parents.  So, frankly, I don&#8217;t see this as a problem when it comes to transracial adoption.</p>
	<p>What I will highlight is something far more practical: only in the last 2 years has Covergirl started to carry makeup for people darker than a paper bag.  Pantyhose, hair products, some forms of skin-care&#8211;all of these can be race-specific, particularly for medium to dark brown-skinned peoples; and I can testify that when I went to college in the Boston metropolitan area, I had a devil of a time finding these where I lived.   </p>
	<p>More subtly, clothing stores in dominant culture towns often don&#8217;t have clothing in colors that complement medium to dark-brown skin.  Note, for instance the colors of West African traditional clothing (or West Indian clothing) and compare them to any colors you can find at Benetton or the Gap.  These are the sorts of things that can drive little girl-children crazy&#8211;whether or not they are adopted.  And it is this subtle, structural racism that can be ego-destructive.</p>
	<p>None of this is to negate transracial adoption.  I rather think that&#8217;s important and necessary, especially for adoptable children of color in the United States.    Rather, it is to point out that sometimes being a transracial adoptive parent means that you will have to act as a race traitor and a rights activist&#8211;but that&#8217;s only because you&#8217;ll have fallen in love with the &#8220;other.&#8221;  And that&#8217;s a good thing.
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		<title>by: Scarlet</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/08/feminists-for-lifes-next-project-is-a-ban-on-tampons/#comment-289196</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 03:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh my god, check out the comments at that place... Just lovely.
Especially the one saying how &quot;she doesn't deserve a uterus&quot;. I didn't know it was a special prize or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh my god, check out the comments at that place&#8230; Just lovely.<br />
Especially the one saying how &#8220;she doesn&#8217;t deserve a uterus&#8221;. I didn&#8217;t know it was a special prize or something.
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		<title>by: terrymum</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/08/feminists-for-lifes-next-project-is-a-ban-on-tampons/#comment-288813</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You may want to check out one foster parents' response to your entry
at http://elborak.blogspot.com/    

Not everyone who is opposed to abortion is unwilling to step up and adopt children who are hard to place. The main impediment is not an absence of willing parents. It's a court system that is bogged down in well-meaning but endless and pointless red-tape!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You may want to check out one foster parents&#8217; response to your entry<br />
at <a href='http://elborak.blogspot.com/' rel='nofollow'>http://elborak.blogspot.com/</a>    </p>
	<p>Not everyone who is opposed to abortion is unwilling to step up and adopt children who are hard to place. The main impediment is not an absence of willing parents. It&#8217;s a court system that is bogged down in well-meaning but endless and pointless red-tape!
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		<title>by: Yondalla</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/08/feminists-for-lifes-next-project-is-a-ban-on-tampons/#comment-288659</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Adding my voice to Baggage's...

I am fostermom.  I take gay teenagers.  They are not adoptable for a host of reasons.  Sometimes it is because their otherwise good parents are incarcerated or just unable to care for them.

More heartbreakingly, it can be because they have been passed over, unwanted, or because they experienced a &lt;b&gt;failed adoption placement&lt;/b&gt; and no longer wish to be considered for adoption.

These are wonderful, valuable children, and they are also generally children who have suffered trauma.  Caring for them is exhausting and rewarding work. It should not be taken lightly, and no one should be pressured to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Adding my voice to Baggage&#8217;s&#8230;</p>
	<p>I am fostermom.  I take gay teenagers.  They are not adoptable for a host of reasons.  Sometimes it is because their otherwise good parents are incarcerated or just unable to care for them.</p>
	<p>More heartbreakingly, it can be because they have been passed over, unwanted, or because they experienced a <b>failed adoption placement</b> and no longer wish to be considered for adoption.</p>
	<p>These are wonderful, valuable children, and they are also generally children who have suffered trauma.  Caring for them is exhausting and rewarding work. It should not be taken lightly, and no one should be pressured to do it.
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		<title>by: baggage</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/08/feminists-for-lifes-next-project-is-a-ban-on-tampons/#comment-288424</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I am an adoptive mother to a child from foster care. That was my choice. While I think adopting from foster care is great, it is not my business what choices you make to start your family, add to your family or if you decide to not have a family at all. There are a lot of reasons why people don't adopt from foster care. Some are based simply on ignorance. 

But it is frustrating when people say &quot;Hey! Stop doing infertility treatments and adopt from foster care! Stop adopting from China and adopt from foster care!&quot; You should adopt from foster care if you want to adopt from foster care. Not to save a child, not to save the world. 

Just because a child is 10 and in foster care doesn't mean they have issues. Your adopted at birth child might end up having special needs. Or, *gasp* your biological child might end up having special needs. At least when you adopt from foster care you already know the issues your child has instead of just hoping for the best.

But people should adopt from foster care because they want to be a parent. That's why I did it. You owe it to your children to love them for who they are and not because they further your political agenda.

Oh, and for the record....I said I would take a child of any racial background, and with most special needs and medical problems.

Who did they match me with? A blond haired blue eyed little girl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am an adoptive mother to a child from foster care. That was my choice. While I think adopting from foster care is great, it is not my business what choices you make to start your family, add to your family or if you decide to not have a family at all. There are a lot of reasons why people don&#8217;t adopt from foster care. Some are based simply on ignorance. </p>
	<p>But it is frustrating when people say &#8220;Hey! Stop doing infertility treatments and adopt from foster care! Stop adopting from China and adopt from foster care!&#8221; You should adopt from foster care if you want to adopt from foster care. Not to save a child, not to save the world. </p>
	<p>Just because a child is 10 and in foster care doesn&#8217;t mean they have issues. Your adopted at birth child might end up having special needs. Or, *gasp* your biological child might end up having special needs. At least when you adopt from foster care you already know the issues your child has instead of just hoping for the best.</p>
	<p>But people should adopt from foster care because they want to be a parent. That&#8217;s why I did it. You owe it to your children to love them for who they are and not because they further your political agenda.</p>
	<p>Oh, and for the record&#8230;.I said I would take a child of any racial background, and with most special needs and medical problems.</p>
	<p>Who did they match me with? A blond haired blue eyed little girl.
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		<title>by: Dan S.</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/08/feminists-for-lifes-next-project-is-a-ban-on-tampons/#comment-288271</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Actually, I’m not proud of it (just refuse to hide and fake where it can be avoided) &quot;

Why you refuse to do so is unclear, but nevertheless, while &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; may understand that it's nothing to be proud of, by putting it out there, you're providing a sort of support for other people who are &lt;i&gt;proud&lt;/i&gt; of this kind of thing, and will see it as evidence that lots of others really share their view. in a very small way, you're doing your part to normalize &amp;amp; legitimize racism.  Please stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Actually, I’m not proud of it (just refuse to hide and fake where it can be avoided) &#8221;</p>
	<p>Why you refuse to do so is unclear, but nevertheless, while <i>you</i> may understand that it&#8217;s nothing to be proud of, by putting it out there, you&#8217;re providing a sort of support for other people who are <i>proud</i> of this kind of thing, and will see it as evidence that lots of others really share their view. in a very small way, you&#8217;re doing your part to normalize &amp; legitimize racism.  Please stop.
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		<title>by: Virgil E. Vickers</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/08/feminists-for-lifes-next-project-is-a-ban-on-tampons/#comment-288045</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Actually, I'm not proud of it (just refuse to hide and fake where it can be avoided) -- and I did have someone of Chinese background in my workspace (actually, close in the &quot;chain of command&quot; above me) -- mentioned the matter -- don't remember how exactly -- there was some jocularity back and forth about the matter -- it was an informal workspace -- but &quot;trying to change your attitude&quot; when undertaking to raise a child (or in a comparably intimate relationship) is the kind of thing I don't think is wise.  It's not in the same class as being fair to people.  It's one thing to &quot;deal on an ethical level with people of those other races when you meet them in the workplace&quot;;  it's another to be trying to kid yourself about what you can best handle with a child.  In the event, there were enough challenges -- I wound up finding strategies having to do with having the maximum feasible honesty in dealing as a parent.  I consider raising my daughter the greatest and most creative adventure of my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Actually, I&#8217;m not proud of it (just refuse to hide and fake where it can be avoided) &#8212; and I did have someone of Chinese background in my workspace (actually, close in the &#8220;chain of command&#8221; above me) &#8212; mentioned the matter &#8212; don&#8217;t remember how exactly &#8212; there was some jocularity back and forth about the matter &#8212; it was an informal workspace &#8212; but &#8220;trying to change your attitude&#8221; when undertaking to raise a child (or in a comparably intimate relationship) is the kind of thing I don&#8217;t think is wise.  It&#8217;s not in the same class as being fair to people.  It&#8217;s one thing to &#8220;deal on an ethical level with people of those other races when you meet them in the workplace&#8221;;  it&#8217;s another to be trying to kid yourself about what you can best handle with a child.  In the event, there were enough challenges &#8212; I wound up finding strategies having to do with having the maximum feasible honesty in dealing as a parent.  I consider raising my daughter the greatest and most creative adventure of my life.
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		<title>by: atlasien</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/08/feminists-for-lifes-next-project-is-a-ban-on-tampons/#comment-288003</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I just want to point out that the prior Virgil E. Vickers comment... &quot;because I examined my own feelings, and decided I was put off by epicanthic eye folds, but not by Indian skin color&quot; is outrageously racist.  It really jumped out at me.  I can understand not adopting transracially because you don't feel capable of giving the child the right kind of background.  But because of a superficial feature like an eye fold or skin color?  If you're disgusted by the appearance of other races, you should try to change your attitude, at least so you can deal on an ethical level with people of those other races when you meet them in the workplace.  If you can't change it, then you should apologize for it, or hide it and try to fake a lack of disgust until such comes naturally to you... any strategy other than being proud of racial disgust.

It reminds me of a woman I met in Costa Rica.  She told me &quot;I don't like black people.  I don't really have a reason, I don't know why.  My mother was the same way&quot;.  I didn't know what to tell her at the time, I was so taken aback, maybe I still don't know.  At least have some shame, for goodness sake.

The rest of the discussion has been interestingly different from adoption-oriented board discussions.  Tying in abortion and the zealots at Feminists for Life is depressing but great for added dimension.  As an Asian prospective adoptive parent (from the foster care system), I disagreed with a few of the statements about adoption in Amanda's post, but there's already been a lot of debate over those statements.  I would also suggest that people think about transracial AND transcultural adoption not just by white parents but by all kinds of parents.  It's true that the adoption systems, even just through sheer demographics, are predominantly oriented towards white parents.  But there are also lots of black parents adopting black children, for example, both from the foster care system and through private adoptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I just want to point out that the prior Virgil E. Vickers comment&#8230; &#8220;because I examined my own feelings, and decided I was put off by epicanthic eye folds, but not by Indian skin color&#8221; is outrageously racist.  It really jumped out at me.  I can understand not adopting transracially because you don&#8217;t feel capable of giving the child the right kind of background.  But because of a superficial feature like an eye fold or skin color?  If you&#8217;re disgusted by the appearance of other races, you should try to change your attitude, at least so you can deal on an ethical level with people of those other races when you meet them in the workplace.  If you can&#8217;t change it, then you should apologize for it, or hide it and try to fake a lack of disgust until such comes naturally to you&#8230; any strategy other than being proud of racial disgust.</p>
	<p>It reminds me of a woman I met in Costa Rica.  She told me &#8220;I don&#8217;t like black people.  I don&#8217;t really have a reason, I don&#8217;t know why.  My mother was the same way&#8221;.  I didn&#8217;t know what to tell her at the time, I was so taken aback, maybe I still don&#8217;t know.  At least have some shame, for goodness sake.</p>
	<p>The rest of the discussion has been interestingly different from adoption-oriented board discussions.  Tying in abortion and the zealots at Feminists for Life is depressing but great for added dimension.  As an Asian prospective adoptive parent (from the foster care system), I disagreed with a few of the statements about adoption in Amanda&#8217;s post, but there&#8217;s already been a lot of debate over those statements.  I would also suggest that people think about transracial AND transcultural adoption not just by white parents but by all kinds of parents.  It&#8217;s true that the adoption systems, even just through sheer demographics, are predominantly oriented towards white parents.  But there are also lots of black parents adopting black children, for example, both from the foster care system and through private adoptions.
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		<title>by: Jinny</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/08/feminists-for-lifes-next-project-is-a-ban-on-tampons/#comment-287815</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>'Hey, I know that lots of adoptees are not bothered by having had parents of another race, but some are-- for example, http://twicetherice.wordpress.com/ (there are others, but I am not sure how many links I am allowed to have). I wish that this was not a risk that people take when they adopt, because I would like to adopt internationally. In the course of my research though I found it was something to think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8216;Hey, I know that lots of adoptees are not bothered by having had parents of another race, but some are&#8211; for example, <a href='http://twicetherice.wordpress.com/' rel='nofollow'>http://twicetherice.wordpress.com/</a> (there are others, but I am not sure how many links I am allowed to have). I wish that this was not a risk that people take when they adopt, because I would like to adopt internationally. In the course of my research though I found it was something to think about.
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		<title>by: DAS</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;And infants. Older kids, from ages 5 or so on up, are languishing in foster care, waiting for someone, anyone, to take them in permanently.&lt;/i&gt; - Warren

Actually, I ought not to get into too many details, but if you're willing to adopt a non-white infant, you'll certainly be able to get one, provided you're somewhat patient (which, if you are going to be a parent, it behooves you to be) as there is no shortage of infants.  Of course, the actual adoption procedure oftentimes takes awhile even after you have custody of said infant (it's a legal procedure -- these things take a while to make sure the 'i's are dotted and 't's are crossed), but it isn't as if there are no kids available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>And infants. Older kids, from ages 5 or so on up, are languishing in foster care, waiting for someone, anyone, to take them in permanently.</i> - Warren</p>
	<p>Actually, I ought not to get into too many details, but if you&#8217;re willing to adopt a non-white infant, you&#8217;ll certainly be able to get one, provided you&#8217;re somewhat patient (which, if you are going to be a parent, it behooves you to be) as there is no shortage of infants.  Of course, the actual adoption procedure oftentimes takes awhile even after you have custody of said infant (it&#8217;s a legal procedure &#8212; these things take a while to make sure the &#8216;i&#8217;s are dotted and &#8216;t&#8217;s are crossed), but it isn&#8217;t as if there are no kids available.
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