Comments on: Demand reality-based cops and get kicked out of school http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/03/demand-reality-based-cops-and-get-kicked-out-of-school/ Just another WordPress weblog Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:24:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: The Dark Avenger http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/03/demand-reality-based-cops-and-get-kicked-out-of-school/#comment-280554 Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:55:04 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/03/demand-reality-based-cops-and-get-kicked-out-of-school/#comment-280554 Bay City was suppose to be Santa Monica: From the Wikipedia on Santa Monica Bay: <blockquote>In the 1930s, gambling ships anchored beyond the three mile limit, then measured from the beach. The ships were popular and a fleet of ever-larger ships and barges appeared until the State Attorney General got the limit recalculated to exclude the bay. The largest ship held off the state police for nine days with submachine guns in what the newspapers called The Battle of Santa Monica Bay.</blockquote> Bay City was suppose to be Santa Monica:

From the Wikipedia on Santa Monica Bay:

In the 1930s, gambling ships anchored beyond the three mile limit, then measured from the beach. The ships were popular and a fleet of ever-larger ships and barges appeared until the State Attorney General got the limit recalculated to exclude the bay. The largest ship held off the state police for nine days with submachine guns in what the newspapers called The Battle of Santa Monica Bay.

]]> by: Samantha Vimes http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/03/demand-reality-based-cops-and-get-kicked-out-of-school/#comment-280112 Tue, 05 Dec 2006 02:58:31 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/03/demand-reality-based-cops-and-get-kicked-out-of-school/#comment-280112 <i>The depiction of the LAPD by noir writers such as Chandler if anything vastly understate the criminality, incompetence and outright gangsterism of the pre-Parker LAPD.</i> Bay City PD was Chandler's corrupt force. Bernie of the LAPD was Phillip Marlowe's friend, sort of, and the LAPD was shown as somewhat demoralized and cynical, but well meaning and badly underfunded. When Chandler tried to shoot himself when he couldn't cope with the loss of his wife, he was not only directly save by a cop who heard the first misfire and entered his house and got him to put the gun down, but a slew of fan mail from police around the world <i>who felt he had improved their public image and understood their troubles</i> and especially the emotional support of the LAPD helped him pull out of the worst of his depression. /insane fan-girl trivia spewing The depiction of the LAPD by noir writers such as Chandler if anything vastly understate the criminality, incompetence and outright gangsterism of the pre-Parker LAPD.

Bay City PD was Chandler’s corrupt force. Bernie of the LAPD was Phillip Marlowe’s friend, sort of, and the LAPD was shown as somewhat demoralized and cynical, but well meaning and badly underfunded.
When Chandler tried to shoot himself when he couldn’t cope with the loss of his wife, he was not only directly save by a cop who heard the first misfire and entered his house and got him to put the gun down, but a slew of fan mail from police around the world who felt he had improved their public image and understood their troubles and especially the emotional support of the LAPD helped him pull out of the worst of his depression.

/insane fan-girl trivia spewing

]]> by: burritoboy http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/03/demand-reality-based-cops-and-get-kicked-out-of-school/#comment-279750 Mon, 04 Dec 2006 18:22:04 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/03/demand-reality-based-cops-and-get-kicked-out-of-school/#comment-279750 "to make-over the image of the LAPD, which up till then had the reputation of being a bunch of thoroughly corrupt Keystone Kops, basically security goons for the rich and famous." The LAPD was, before Parker, rather openly a collection of criminals with badges. The depiction of the LAPD by noir writers such as Chandler if anything vastly understate the criminality, incompetence and outright gangsterism of the pre-Parker LAPD. “to make-over the image of the LAPD, which up till then had the reputation of being a bunch of thoroughly corrupt Keystone Kops, basically security goons for the rich and famous.”

The LAPD was, before Parker, rather openly a collection of criminals with badges. The depiction of the LAPD by noir writers such as Chandler if anything vastly understate the criminality, incompetence and outright gangsterism of the pre-Parker LAPD.

]]> by: Sour Kraut http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/03/demand-reality-based-cops-and-get-kicked-out-of-school/#comment-279744 Mon, 04 Dec 2006 18:17:06 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/03/demand-reality-based-cops-and-get-kicked-out-of-school/#comment-279744 I don't know any numbers on that Alecto, but I'm sure it happens--it's a form of psychological self-protection. Some women internalize the idea (thank you patriarchy) that rape only happens to a certain type of woman, or to a woman who must have done <i>something</i> wrong to invite or allow it. It allows them to say, "Well, yes she was raped, but she did X, and I would never do X, so I could never be raped." Blaming the victim is a lot less scary than admitting that it could have happened to you. I don’t know any numbers on that Alecto, but I’m sure it happens–it’s a form of psychological self-protection. Some women internalize the idea (thank you patriarchy) that rape only happens to a certain type of woman, or to a woman who must have done something wrong to invite or allow it. It allows them to say, “Well, yes she was raped, but she did X, and I would never do X, so I could never be raped.”

Blaming the victim is a lot less scary than admitting that it could have happened to you.

]]> by: Alecto http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/03/demand-reality-based-cops-and-get-kicked-out-of-school/#comment-279724 Mon, 04 Dec 2006 17:46:04 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/03/demand-reality-based-cops-and-get-kicked-out-of-school/#comment-279724 Also, isn't it true that women are more likely to acquit in rape cases, in an attempt to believe that they can control whether they are raped themselves? I.e., if the victim's behavior was somehow part of the reason she was raped, then the jurors feel they can avoid the rape if they avoid that behavior. They're wrong, of course, but it's (almost) an understandable reaction. Also, isn’t it true that women are more likely to acquit in rape cases, in an attempt to believe that they can control whether they are raped themselves? I.e., if the victim’s behavior was somehow part of the reason she was raped, then the jurors feel they can avoid the rape if they avoid that behavior. They’re wrong, of course, but it’s (almost) an understandable reaction.

]]> by: Nicole http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/03/demand-reality-based-cops-and-get-kicked-out-of-school/#comment-279532 Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:37:05 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/03/demand-reality-based-cops-and-get-kicked-out-of-school/#comment-279532 <blockquote>Community Colleges are designed primarily to train a person for nothing more than entry to mid-level vocational positions. </blockquote> Not in California. Of the 64,000 community college grads in 1999, 55,000 went directly to a UC or CSU for their four-year degree. A 2003 survey at LACC found that only 36% of students were there for vocational training; the rest planned to go on to a higher degree. Now, you can question whether or not your second- and third-tier state schools do more than train students for "vocational positions," but that's another debate. There was a very interesting story in the <a>LA Times</a> recently about how LA County Deputies start their job with a 2-year or longer rotation in the county prisons. The point of the article was that when you're thrown into the deep end like that, you have no choice but to think of it as "us vs. them," and then carry that attitude with you when you get a patrol position. They've recognized for years that it's a problem, but they say they don't have the staff numbers necessary to change it.

Community Colleges are designed primarily to train a person for nothing more than entry to mid-level vocational positions.

Not in California. Of the 64,000 community college grads in 1999, 55,000 went directly to a UC or CSU for their four-year degree. A 2003 survey at LACC found that only 36% of students were there for vocational training; the rest planned to go on to a higher degree. Now, you can question whether or not your second- and third-tier state schools do more than train students for “vocational positions,” but that’s another debate.

There was a very interesting story in the LA Times recently about how LA County Deputies start their job with a 2-year or longer rotation in the county prisons. The point of the article was that when you’re thrown into the deep end like that, you have no choice but to think of it as “us vs. them,” and then carry that attitude with you when you get a patrol position. They’ve recognized for years that it’s a problem, but they say they don’t have the staff numbers necessary to change it.

]]> by: Sour Kraut http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/03/demand-reality-based-cops-and-get-kicked-out-of-school/#comment-279528 Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:32:22 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/03/demand-reality-based-cops-and-get-kicked-out-of-school/#comment-279528 <i>I dunno — I’ve talked to a lot of misogynist women. Can you imagine campus safety officer Coulter? (shudder)</i> How about Campus Safety Officer Ann Althouse? She'd take your bust measurements, political affiliation and write down how revealing she thought your shirt was; then decide if you were worthy of protection. I dunno — I’ve talked to a lot of misogynist women. Can you imagine campus safety officer Coulter? (shudder)

How about Campus Safety Officer Ann Althouse? She’d take your bust measurements, political affiliation and write down how revealing she thought your shirt was; then decide if you were worthy of protection.

]]> by: labyrus http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/03/demand-reality-based-cops-and-get-kicked-out-of-school/#comment-279479 Mon, 04 Dec 2006 13:36:32 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/03/demand-reality-based-cops-and-get-kicked-out-of-school/#comment-279479 Point taken, Ponygirl. Point taken, Ponygirl.

]]> by: pablo http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/03/demand-reality-based-cops-and-get-kicked-out-of-school/#comment-279459 Mon, 04 Dec 2006 13:09:19 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/03/demand-reality-based-cops-and-get-kicked-out-of-school/#comment-279459 Thanks Mark. I keep wondering why it's almost always LA cops making the news, at least until the job Guilliani did on the NYPD. I know every city has its share of bad cops but it seems like LA must be screening out the good ones. Thanks Mark. I keep wondering why it’s almost always LA cops making the news, at least until the job Guilliani did on the NYPD. I know every city has its share of bad cops but it seems like LA must be screening out the good ones.

]]> by: Older http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/03/demand-reality-based-cops-and-get-kicked-out-of-school/#comment-279455 Mon, 04 Dec 2006 13:02:21 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/12/03/demand-reality-based-cops-and-get-kicked-out-of-school/#comment-279455 "I’m pretty sure that most police forces were already pretty much made up of the dregs of society in the first place" Jeez, Labyrus, are you trying to get us all killed? Ssshhhhh, fer crynoutloud “I’m pretty sure that most police forces were already pretty much made up of the dregs of society in the first place”

Jeez, Labyrus, are you trying to get us all killed? Ssshhhhh, fer crynoutloud

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