I have a daughter to a violent, nasty abusive man who believes he is a result of his violent, abusive father raping his mother (I dont think its true but…) I had an abortion to him when my daughter was 18 months old. I wouldnt have loved this child like he or she deserved. Do FFL know how heartbreaking it is to see my little daughter crying on the front step when her father and I are yelling at eachother? Missing out on spending time with Mummy because she’s working 3 jobs to support her cos her deadbeat Daddy won’t? Imagine if there were two of them? Imagine if my son, if I didnt abort him, repeating the cycle of abuse and beating his wife because some idiot said he had a “right to life?”

And about this so called “unexpected joy?” what crap. I adore my daughter. I love her more than anything and wouldnt take her back for anything. But this so called “joy” is only a little ray sunshine on an otherise stormy day. I dont know one person who is a single mother (or in a bad relationship) who is totally elated at having a child. The ones who have adopted their children out are struggling to move on having no idea who is raising their kid and whether they are being loved and cared for as promised, with a huge void in their life. The single mothers are living below the poverty line and missing out on so many dreams, and their children although loved, are missing out on a right to a happy home, both parents and to feel wanted.

I love my mother but she has never made me feel wanted, and that makes me feel worthless. I am greatful though that they had me. My daughter was wanted by me regardless of circumstance and I’ll make sure she knows that.

As one UC-Berkeley grad student said to her pro-choice peers, “I have a right to be here.�

No, you dont. Life is a privelage (SP check) not a right. So are children. You cant miss what you never had.

They are internally consistent with this, although I can’t imagine that the famous faces associated with the group are having an easy time answering this question when it comes up.

In an ideal world your friend’s biological mother wouldn’t have had an unplanned pregnancy, yeah. But how is it a personal slight on him to say that? He doesn’t have any more or less right than anyone else to exist… it fits with all the other stuff in this thread. His biological mother didn’t have to allow him wombroom. Nobody’s mother has to allow them wombroom. Saying that a particular woman should have had a particular choice has nothing to do with any judgment on the child who is born if she chooses to carry to term. Would he have preferred to force an unplanned pregnancy on her, if he had the option to?

Again, I don’t see why stop at abortion. If you’re at a Take Back the Night rally, the very same logic would apply. This young woman could stand up and cry that protesting rape is a personal slight on her, because without the lovely gift of violent, misogynist forced sex, she’d never have been born. If her existence is proof that abortion is wrong, it’s also proof that rape is right.

There is a book currently on sale written by a woman whose parents met in a Nazi death camp.

I wonder if anyone wants to argue that the Holocaust was justified.

Yeah. I don’t think some of these guys can wrap their heads around this, but I actually wish my mom did abort me. It’s not like I don’t want to be here, but looking at the circumstances she was in, I think it would have been a better choice all around for her and things would be very different and probably better for her and for everyone else involved in the equation. But ultimately, the choice was hers and she made it, and regardless of the hypotheticals, here we are.

Of course, I am completely mystified as to why anyone would want to outlaw abortions in the first place. It’s not like they’re mandatory for anyone (at least, as long as the “eugenics movement” doesn’t claw its way back to the top of the slag-heap). People who don’t believe in abortion have no obligation to have one, ever.

My answer was “My mom did believe in abortion. And still does.”

I like this argument, and the one from much earlier “Why don’t you want your mom to have had choices?” It gets to the question of choice v. the strawwoman of forced abortions. Just because it’s legal doesn’t mean that everyone will do it. Do you trust your mother enough to make that choice? A lot of women will of course still have the baby regardless of how, or when, or the inconvenience of, its conception. Some won’t. But why wouldn’t you give them the option to make that decision? It doesn’t mean that women who want to give birth will be dragged screaming to abortion asylums, for christ’s sake.