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	<title>Comments on: The Beaver and the Plan B saga, continued</title>
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		<title>by: Bobo McFadden</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/10/07/the-beaver-and-the-plan-b-saga-continued/#comment-493616</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 05:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Lulz
Freaky Bitch gets just desserts.
She should have sealed that shit up with HOTWAX LOLOLOLOL!!!1111one</description>
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Freaky Bitch gets just desserts.<br />
She should have sealed that shit up with HOTWAX LOLOLOLOL!!!1111one
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		<title>by: GayGamer</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/10/07/the-beaver-and-the-plan-b-saga-continued/#comment-439738</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 22:42:44 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/10/07/the-beaver-and-the-plan-b-saga-continued/#comment-439738</guid>
					<description>I feel very sorry for this. BitingBeaver. I know what it's like to need support and not get it from those you hold close to you. This is a troubling time for anyone to go through, as I have also had to go this with my wife. Most of my sympathy goes out to anyone that depends on robots over the internet for an emotional connection. Sometimes we forget that some people win, and others lose. The nice thing about the internet is that there are infinite continues, whereas in real life you might have to whistle for a cab and when it comes near, notice the license plate said FRESH and there were dice in the mirror. If anything you'd have to say that this cab is rare. That's when I though, Now forget it' - 'Yo homes to Bel Air'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I feel very sorry for this. BitingBeaver. I know what it&#8217;s like to need support and not get it from those you hold close to you. This is a troubling time for anyone to go through, as I have also had to go this with my wife. Most of my sympathy goes out to anyone that depends on robots over the internet for an emotional connection. Sometimes we forget that some people win, and others lose. The nice thing about the internet is that there are infinite continues, whereas in real life you might have to whistle for a cab and when it comes near, notice the license plate said FRESH and there were dice in the mirror. If anything you&#8217;d have to say that this cab is rare. That&#8217;s when I though, Now forget it&#8217; - &#8216;Yo homes to Bel Air&#8217;
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		<title>by: Wuori</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/10/07/the-beaver-and-the-plan-b-saga-continued/#comment-439643</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:57:33 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/10/07/the-beaver-and-the-plan-b-saga-continued/#comment-439643</guid>
					<description>Step 0

Trainer, you just received me from the Day Care man. Soon, you are going to retrieve my parents from the Day Care lady. I love the warm feel of Magmar's Flame Body ability, and the sound of your bicycle gears as you ride up and down Cycling Road is my favorite lullaby.


Step 735

Trainer, I'm not sure what species of Pokemon I am yet. What kind of Pokemon were my parents? It'll take some time for me to hatch.


Step 1067

Trainer, I'm starting to move around inside my egg. I should be getting close to hatching.


Step 2127

Trainer, I'm making noises inside. I'm going to hatch soon!


Step 5355

Trainer, I came out of my egg! Would you like to give a nickname to me?


Step 5360

Trainer, I see that you are looking at my stats. You say that I have a Docile Nature. Is this a bad thing? What are you doing to me, Trainer? I don't want to go into the PC! It's dark and scary in there! Help me, Trainer! No...


Step 5400

Trainer, I am okay. I am in Box 1. Bidoof is watching me. He told me about IV's. Why didn't you want me Trainer?

One more Pokemon that was deposited. Four more moves that will never be used. Two more types that will never be taken advantage of. Six more base stats that will never be trained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Step 0</p>
	<p>Trainer, you just received me from the Day Care man. Soon, you are going to retrieve my parents from the Day Care lady. I love the warm feel of Magmar&#8217;s Flame Body ability, and the sound of your bicycle gears as you ride up and down Cycling Road is my favorite lullaby.</p>
	<p>Step 735</p>
	<p>Trainer, I&#8217;m not sure what species of Pokemon I am yet. What kind of Pokemon were my parents? It&#8217;ll take some time for me to hatch.</p>
	<p>Step 1067</p>
	<p>Trainer, I&#8217;m starting to move around inside my egg. I should be getting close to hatching.</p>
	<p>Step 2127</p>
	<p>Trainer, I&#8217;m making noises inside. I&#8217;m going to hatch soon!</p>
	<p>Step 5355</p>
	<p>Trainer, I came out of my egg! Would you like to give a nickname to me?</p>
	<p>Step 5360</p>
	<p>Trainer, I see that you are looking at my stats. You say that I have a Docile Nature. Is this a bad thing? What are you doing to me, Trainer? I don&#8217;t want to go into the PC! It&#8217;s dark and scary in there! Help me, Trainer! No&#8230;</p>
	<p>Step 5400</p>
	<p>Trainer, I am okay. I am in Box 1. Bidoof is watching me. He told me about IV&#8217;s. Why didn&#8217;t you want me Trainer?</p>
	<p>One more Pokemon that was deposited. Four more moves that will never be used. Two more types that will never be taken advantage of. Six more base stats that will never be trained.
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		<title>by: Theresa Lewis</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/10/07/the-beaver-and-the-plan-b-saga-continued/#comment-221115</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:09:10 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/10/07/the-beaver-and-the-plan-b-saga-continued/#comment-221115</guid>
					<description>It's so sad that women have to deal with this bull, but just like Bush,getting elected by millions of preachers all over the country ordering their congregations to vote for the idiot because they think he's some christian (I'm not religous, but isn't there a rule somewhere, thall shalt not kill or lie and all the other things all these mightier than thou people, the idiots voted for, are having to resign left and right over. Well i guess they got their votes worth.lol) The funniest thing of all is the fact that all these churches preach no abortion, but does each one who believes in this also go out and make sure kids, who are not wanted but birthed anyway, have all they need in life to be happy, healthy and as rich as all those wanted children the christians have.(right)
I wish you all the luck, if I could I would send you all you need for help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s so sad that women have to deal with this bull, but just like Bush,getting elected by millions of preachers all over the country ordering their congregations to vote for the idiot because they think he&#8217;s some christian (I&#8217;m not religous, but isn&#8217;t there a rule somewhere, thall shalt not kill or lie and all the other things all these mightier than thou people, the idiots voted for, are having to resign left and right over. Well i guess they got their votes worth.lol) The funniest thing of all is the fact that all these churches preach no abortion, but does each one who believes in this also go out and make sure kids, who are not wanted but birthed anyway, have all they need in life to be happy, healthy and as rich as all those wanted children the christians have.(right)<br />
I wish you all the luck, if I could I would send you all you need for help.
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		<title>by: stacey</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/10/07/the-beaver-and-the-plan-b-saga-continued/#comment-217276</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:17:56 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Just here through clicking links, etc. I'm so pleased to see this thing underway.

I was thinking... trolls and so-called &quot;reasonable&quot; arguers are always complaining when their comments aren't published. I think every feminism blog should charge for the privelege - if some jerk wants to disagree with the issues, they can pay a few bucks to let their views be known. Upon receipt of payment, the comment gets published, along with mocking commentary.

'Bout time you womens made some money!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Just here through clicking links, etc. I&#8217;m so pleased to see this thing underway.</p>
	<p>I was thinking&#8230; trolls and so-called &#8220;reasonable&#8221; arguers are always complaining when their comments aren&#8217;t published. I think every feminism blog should charge for the privelege - if some jerk wants to disagree with the issues, they can pay a few bucks to let their views be known. Upon receipt of payment, the comment gets published, along with mocking commentary.</p>
	<p>&#8216;Bout time you womens made some money!
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		<title>by: Mister Nice Guy</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/10/07/the-beaver-and-the-plan-b-saga-continued/#comment-216301</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 04:19:15 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/10/07/the-beaver-and-the-plan-b-saga-continued/#comment-216301</guid>
					<description>&quot;I’m fucking tired. I can only be kicked back to the ground so many times before I start thinking that I need to just lay there and stop fighting against it.&quot;

Clearly, the program is working exactly as its creators hoped.

Lizzie Bee, I've been calling for a women's health underground railroad for years.  We need to set it up and have conductors and stationkeepers all over the country NOW, while we can still do it semi-openly, before it becomes a crime to even talk about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I’m fucking tired. I can only be kicked back to the ground so many times before I start thinking that I need to just lay there and stop fighting against it.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Clearly, the program is working exactly as its creators hoped.</p>
	<p>Lizzie Bee, I&#8217;ve been calling for a women&#8217;s health underground railroad for years.  We need to set it up and have conductors and stationkeepers all over the country NOW, while we can still do it semi-openly, before it becomes a crime to even talk about it.
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		<title>by: Pacific Views</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/10/07/the-beaver-and-the-plan-b-saga-continued/#comment-215476</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:57:50 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/10/07/the-beaver-and-the-plan-b-saga-continued/#comment-215476</guid>
					<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Personal: Still Political...&lt;/strong&gt;

A woman was having sex with her boyfriend and the condom broke. She tried all weekend to find an emergency room doctor who would give her a prescription for emergency contraception, but she was told by every nurse she talked......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><strong>The Personal: Still Political&#8230;</strong></p>
	<p>A woman was having sex with her boyfriend and the condom broke. She tried all weekend to find an emergency room doctor who would give her a prescription for emergency contraception, but she was told by every nurse she talked&#8230;&#8230;
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		<title>by: annonnie</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/10/07/the-beaver-and-the-plan-b-saga-continued/#comment-213707</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:04:43 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/10/07/the-beaver-and-the-plan-b-saga-continued/#comment-213707</guid>
					<description>hmmm, the web site for docs that won't give EC, treat rape victims like crap, yada, yada...

how about a site like holla back? hehe

seems to work pretty well. you put up a pic of the doc or clinic and add your story of discrimination. i would think at that point we could start talking about class action law suits.  we would need a pattern though.  one woman is not enough, however, 10 women turned away from the same clinic/doc/nurse...now there's a pattern and multiple witnesses.

i might try to couple the Holla back theme to the emercency kindness, show the offenders which will again show the need for sites like emergency kindness.  show the assholes, provide a positive solution as well as an area for women to share their stories....

i do like the problem solution angle here.  we can be as angry as we want, without action adn arganization, nothing changes.

pics seem to work magic, the holla back site, it always amazes me that the men say...what, no big deal...but are afraid to have their pics, their images, linked to their behavior.

i would also like to see if we could set up a &quot;sting&quot; anyone willing to call your local hospital, nurse, clinic, and record the conversation?  call and ask for EC, if they lie and say it is an abortion pill, ask for their name...are they sure it is an abortion pill? if they continue with false info -  then post it online.  Nurse Beatty at INc hospital told me a lie.  Period.  Gotta start nailing them. For BB, i doubt she can sue it is now her word against theirs. We need to start shaming them, and hurting them financially.  Frankly, if I found out my doc was involved in shady activities and lying, I would be taking my body and my money elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>hmmm, the web site for docs that won&#8217;t give EC, treat rape victims like crap, yada, yada&#8230;</p>
	<p>how about a site like holla back? hehe</p>
	<p>seems to work pretty well. you put up a pic of the doc or clinic and add your story of discrimination. i would think at that point we could start talking about class action law suits.  we would need a pattern though.  one woman is not enough, however, 10 women turned away from the same clinic/doc/nurse&#8230;now there&#8217;s a pattern and multiple witnesses.</p>
	<p>i might try to couple the Holla back theme to the emercency kindness, show the offenders which will again show the need for sites like emergency kindness.  show the assholes, provide a positive solution as well as an area for women to share their stories&#8230;.</p>
	<p>i do like the problem solution angle here.  we can be as angry as we want, without action adn arganization, nothing changes.</p>
	<p>pics seem to work magic, the holla back site, it always amazes me that the men say&#8230;what, no big deal&#8230;but are afraid to have their pics, their images, linked to their behavior.</p>
	<p>i would also like to see if we could set up a &#8220;sting&#8221; anyone willing to call your local hospital, nurse, clinic, and record the conversation?  call and ask for EC, if they lie and say it is an abortion pill, ask for their name&#8230;are they sure it is an abortion pill? if they continue with false info -  then post it online.  Nurse Beatty at INc hospital told me a lie.  Period.  Gotta start nailing them. For BB, i doubt she can sue it is now her word against theirs. We need to start shaming them, and hurting them financially.  Frankly, if I found out my doc was involved in shady activities and lying, I would be taking my body and my money elsewhere.
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		<title>by: Jourdan</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/10/07/the-beaver-and-the-plan-b-saga-continued/#comment-213671</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 13:42:23 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/10/07/the-beaver-and-the-plan-b-saga-continued/#comment-213671</guid>
					<description>&quot;Maybe they could be sued for some kind of civil rights violation?&quot;

I'm sure BB could make a very good case against these medical personel for a civil rights suit.  And if she can't, then she and other women like her will be able to once I become an attorney in a few years.  I used to be a nurse with an emphasis in ob/gyn medicine.  I am currently a schoolteacher, and in another few years I hope to be a civil rights/civil liberties attorney and do legal work for organizations like Planned Parenthood, NARAL, the National Organization for Women, etc.  I would also do discrimination cases, and I think BB's case would be a slam-dunk case, especiall if I was representing her.  I'm a staunch feminist and everytime I read news reports and personal stories such as BB's it just gets me fired up and makes me want to go to Law School even more so that I can protect and free women one law suit at a time.   Also, I would like to comment on the disgusting emails that BB has been receiving from these &quot;men.&quot;  And I use the term &quot;men&quot; lightly in quotations because I don't view these scumbags as men.  Anyone who would verbally harass and degrade a woman they have never even met with that kind of disgusting language is not even close to being a man...he's just an immature, insecure little boy.  I have had an abortion myself once, and I am also a professional fashion/glamour model.  Some of the work I do in the modeling business includes calendars and pin-up posters, although I refuse to show any of my p private body parts.  Because of both my modeling career and my past abortion, I have been called the exact same vulgar names by men that BB has been called.  I have even been verbally degraded like BB simply for the fact that I'm a feminist and I want to be an attorney someday.  I have given a lot of thought as to why men, er I mean BOYS, would feel the need to lash out at women so violently.  The only answer I can conclude is that it stems from some deepseated fear or insecurity.  These males are intimidated by the thought or presence of a strong woman who takes charge of her own body and her own life without a man's influence or say-so.  Women like me and BB are strong women who are secure with ourselves and our sexuality.  We don't feel the need to make excuses for what we do or the choices we make in life.  It is that strength and independence that makes men feel afraid and insecure and makes them feel the need to &quot;put us back in our places.&quot;  My heart goes out to BB in her time of need, and to all of those pathetic losers out there who wasted their time judging this poor woman whom they've never even met because they have no life of their own, here's a great big FUCK YOU! from me and BB to all of them.  Someday I will be honored to represent women like BB in a court of law and stand up for their rights and their dignity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Maybe they could be sued for some kind of civil rights violation?&#8221;</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m sure BB could make a very good case against these medical personel for a civil rights suit.  And if she can&#8217;t, then she and other women like her will be able to once I become an attorney in a few years.  I used to be a nurse with an emphasis in ob/gyn medicine.  I am currently a schoolteacher, and in another few years I hope to be a civil rights/civil liberties attorney and do legal work for organizations like Planned Parenthood, NARAL, the National Organization for Women, etc.  I would also do discrimination cases, and I think BB&#8217;s case would be a slam-dunk case, especiall if I was representing her.  I&#8217;m a staunch feminist and everytime I read news reports and personal stories such as BB&#8217;s it just gets me fired up and makes me want to go to Law School even more so that I can protect and free women one law suit at a time.   Also, I would like to comment on the disgusting emails that BB has been receiving from these &#8220;men.&#8221;  And I use the term &#8220;men&#8221; lightly in quotations because I don&#8217;t view these scumbags as men.  Anyone who would verbally harass and degrade a woman they have never even met with that kind of disgusting language is not even close to being a man&#8230;he&#8217;s just an immature, insecure little boy.  I have had an abortion myself once, and I am also a professional fashion/glamour model.  Some of the work I do in the modeling business includes calendars and pin-up posters, although I refuse to show any of my p private body parts.  Because of both my modeling career and my past abortion, I have been called the exact same vulgar names by men that BB has been called.  I have even been verbally degraded like BB simply for the fact that I&#8217;m a feminist and I want to be an attorney someday.  I have given a lot of thought as to why men, er I mean BOYS, would feel the need to lash out at women so violently.  The only answer I can conclude is that it stems from some deepseated fear or insecurity.  These males are intimidated by the thought or presence of a strong woman who takes charge of her own body and her own life without a man&#8217;s influence or say-so.  Women like me and BB are strong women who are secure with ourselves and our sexuality.  We don&#8217;t feel the need to make excuses for what we do or the choices we make in life.  It is that strength and independence that makes men feel afraid and insecure and makes them feel the need to &#8220;put us back in our places.&#8221;  My heart goes out to BB in her time of need, and to all of those pathetic losers out there who wasted their time judging this poor woman whom they&#8217;ve never even met because they have no life of their own, here&#8217;s a great big FUCK YOU! from me and BB to all of them.  Someday I will be honored to represent women like BB in a court of law and stand up for their rights and their dignity.
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		<title>by: caitlin</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/10/07/the-beaver-and-the-plan-b-saga-continued/#comment-213585</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 13:00:16 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Publishing the doctors’ names is probably not a bad idea. Hell, if the anti-abortion people can have their websites…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree with this.  While I don't think it's a good idea to start off with BB's doctor because, like Godless Heathen said, some of those craven fuckers who've been trolling her blog would probably use it to further harrass her.  

But I do think it would be a phenomenal idea to have a sort of open-source website where women who encounter MDs who are reluctant and/or who outright refuse to provide EC can post that information.  That way, when other women are looking for an MD in their particular area, they could look it up by ZIP code or something, and they would know which doctors to avoid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Publishing the doctors’ names is probably not a bad idea. Hell, if the anti-abortion people can have their websites…</p></blockquote>
	<p>I agree with this.  While I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a good idea to start off with BB&#8217;s doctor because, like Godless Heathen said, some of those craven fuckers who&#8217;ve been trolling her blog would probably use it to further harrass her.  </p>
	<p>But I do think it would be a phenomenal idea to have a sort of open-source website where women who encounter MDs who are reluctant and/or who outright refuse to provide EC can post that information.  That way, when other women are looking for an MD in their particular area, they could look it up by ZIP code or something, and they would know which doctors to avoid.
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