Clinton did not sexually harass Paula Jones. He might - if she is telling the truth - have flashed her. That’s rude and nasty, and if she, or a friend or family member decked then-governor Clinton, and said “You don’t go near her again, asshole!” I’d have no respect for the man *at all* if that person spent even a day in jail for assault.

(I’m not suggesting that it’s okay to deck someone for flashing their weenie. I’m saying that, if he was a respectable man, he’d have used his power as governor to prevent jail time, because he’d have known he stepped over the line. Whether he deserved to get hit over it is a question I won’t answer; whether a respectable man would admit he *provoked* it is certain: he would.)

Remember that the case was so baseless that it could not be taken on a contingency basis. It was, open and shut, not a case of harassment. There was no offer of a quid pro quo, there was no evidence that she was subjected to a hostile work environment.

There is a question over whether he was an asshole to her, on a personal level… but being an asshole is not actionable.

If I am to assume Jones is not a liar, I would suggest that Clinton made a very clumsy, drunken come-on to her, one that sickened her, and she wanted revenge, and I admit I’m sympathetic to that. However, I don’t see the incident, even if it happened as she says, as a character defining moment.

This is especially true if, as has been suggested, that Bill Clinton was sexually abused. (For reasons of my own, I find that suggestion to be a credible possibility.) Victims of sexual assault often have difficulties with boundary issues.

That he might have been a womanizer doesn’t bother me a bit, though it’s not politically correct to say so. What he did with other women was between him, Hillary, and the other women. Show me he violated the boundaries of consent in a serious manner, and then I’ll be concerned about him as a person; past that, and, as I said, it’s between him and his partner(s).

The stuff between him and Monica, people have made that out to be quid pro quo and power imbalance, and all that. I don’t know, and it’s not provable. Yes, he tried to make sure she got a good position that she was happy with in the aftermath… but that wsa probably so she’d feel loyalty to him, and not write a best selling “tell all” book later. And yes, there’s a power imbalance, but when you get right down to it, there’s a huge power imbalance between the President and every US citizen. What he did was stupid and risky, but he had no reason to think it would blow up as badly as it did.

Breasts. Breasts, breasts, breasts, breasts, breasts. Breasts. Breasts, breasts, breasts. Breasts! Breasts, breasts, breasts, breasts, breasts, breasts, breasts! Breasts, breasts, breasts. Breasts, breasts! Breasts. There. Now, if Ann Outhouse wants to…

Though now that I think about it, if Rush, Newt, and the rest had made enough noise, Billy Boy probably would have called for some kind of public shame monument for recalcitrent slutty welfare queens. Hell, he probably would have read their names aloud every night on FOX if he thought it would score him some points with the neanderthals amongst the general public.

What he did to welfare will never be forgivable.

Silly Djur. It’s only poor women who need to be published for the wrong kind of fucking. Not the rich White guys who kick them and their kids around to score points with the very Bible-thumpers they claim to despise once election time rolls around.

And surely I’m not the only one who recalls that the “OMG adultery!111!!!� ‘wingers turned a blind eye to extramarital fornicators Dan Burton, Newt Gingrich and Helen Chenoweth, and to Strom “I’ve groped more women than Bill Clinton’s said hello to� Thurmond.

I kept hoping that there really was a god and he/she would send lighting bolts down to punish the hipocrites, but I was denied. If that isn’t proof of the non-existance of god, I don’t know what would be…

I knew my post would stir up the shit. I knew it was a sticky issue so I was gonna hold my tongue but now my post keeps getting twisted. I did seperate the two myself, maybe not clearly enough in the post for some. But I always have, that’s why I voted for him the first time despite the Gennifer Flowers debacle. The point is once Paula Jones et al came out that’s where I jumped ship. That WAS more than adultery and that WAS an issue feminists ignored and it DID set back sexual harassment litigation. Actually the Lewinsky debacle did that too, just take a look at the intern jokes that started the whole mess with Jessica. When fucking an intern becomes a national punchline to a tacky joke that has consequences.