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		<title>by: JackGoff</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/21/philadelphia-weekly-presents-sympathetic-view-of-abusive-exes/#comment-190323</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:16:02 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Actually, once again, I bring facts, you bring drama&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, the only person acting like a drama queen is you, Valarauk.

Why are you trolling here?  It's not going to change the fact that your ex knows you're a jackass and tries to make sure her kids don't have to be around complete ineptitude.  She's breaking the cycle of stupidity, from what I can tell.  Good for her.

As for you, you've offered nothing but anecdote and circumstantial evidence to back up your asshattery.  Not verifiable in the slightest.  And just so you know, http://none/ isn't a URL, so quit inputting it as your website.  Asshat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Actually, once again, I bring facts, you bring drama</i></p>
	<p>Actually, the only person acting like a drama queen is you, Valarauk.</p>
	<p>Why are you trolling here?  It&#8217;s not going to change the fact that your ex knows you&#8217;re a jackass and tries to make sure her kids don&#8217;t have to be around complete ineptitude.  She&#8217;s breaking the cycle of stupidity, from what I can tell.  Good for her.</p>
	<p>As for you, you&#8217;ve offered nothing but anecdote and circumstantial evidence to back up your asshattery.  Not verifiable in the slightest.  And just so you know, <a href='http://none/' rel='nofollow'>http://none/</a> isn&#8217;t a URL, so quit inputting it as your website.  Asshat.
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		<title>by: Balrog</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/21/philadelphia-weekly-presents-sympathetic-view-of-abusive-exes/#comment-190234</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:46:05 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/21/philadelphia-weekly-presents-sympathetic-view-of-abusive-exes/#comment-190234</guid>
					<description>Dan, Dan, you promised!
I've gotta go to work soon, man!
Actually, once again, I bring facts, you bring drama.....copping out as usual.......
I don't think my ex thinks I am an &quot;asshat&quot;, as you put it....probably some variation of &quot;Motherfucker&quot;, if you must know.....Regardless, whatever she (or you or anyone else) thinks, that doesn't give her the right
to BREAK THE LAW regarding our visitaion and custody agreement.... 
About the &quot;anecdotes&quot;- I don't see anyone else here quoting from any &quot;data&quot;, either. Of course you convieniently overlook that, don't you, hypocrite?\
If you see me as an &quot;abuser&quot;, it's not that you don't get it- you CHOOSE not to get it.....
I didn't &quot;get the joke&quot; because the &quot;joke&quot; did'nt make any sense, Jokes that don't make any sense aren't funny....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dan, Dan, you promised!<br />
I&#8217;ve gotta go to work soon, man!<br />
Actually, once again, I bring facts, you bring drama&#8230;..copping out as usual&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
I don&#8217;t think my ex thinks I am an &#8220;asshat&#8221;, as you put it&#8230;.probably some variation of &#8220;Motherfucker&#8221;, if you must know&#8230;..Regardless, whatever she (or you or anyone else) thinks, that doesn&#8217;t give her the right<br />
to BREAK THE LAW regarding our visitaion and custody agreement&#8230;.<br />
About the &#8220;anecdotes&#8221;- I don&#8217;t see anyone else here quoting from any &#8220;data&#8221;, either. Of course you convieniently overlook that, don&#8217;t you, hypocrite?\<br />
If you see me as an &#8220;abuser&#8221;, it&#8217;s not that you don&#8217;t get it- you CHOOSE not to get it&#8230;..<br />
I didn&#8217;t &#8220;get the joke&#8221; because the &#8220;joke&#8221; did&#8217;nt make any sense, Jokes that don&#8217;t make any sense aren&#8217;t funny&#8230;.
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		<title>by: Dan</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/21/philadelphia-weekly-presents-sympathetic-view-of-abusive-exes/#comment-190201</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:14:20 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/21/philadelphia-weekly-presents-sympathetic-view-of-abusive-exes/#comment-190201</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;cop-out (kopâ€™out) n. Slang â€œAn act of or excuse for copping out; a quitting or backing down.â€?

When you refuse to debate the SUBSTANCE of what I am saying and choose to QUIT (before it even starts) by throwing around refrences to â€œtrollsâ€? (or playing Grammar Cop), YOU, my friend, are â€œcopping outâ€?.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Just slow down, there, bubba. Put an ice pack on your head, or something, that thing's getting a little overheated.

I'm really not sure whose post you were reading. I certainly didn't refuse to debate the substance in what you said (what little there was, anyway).

&lt;blockquote&gt;Reading MRA brochures doesnâ€™t qualify as experience?
I agree- however, being in the middle of just the type of long protracted court struggle that was described in the original article is, I would think.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I'm genuinely sorry that your ex-wife thinks you're as much of an asshat as most of the rest of us do, but the plural of &quot;anecdote&quot; is still not &quot;data.&quot;

&lt;blockquote&gt;And since no one else here is representing the POV of these so-called â€œabusersâ€? and controllersâ€?, I thought I would.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And in a rather humourous and ironic way, you're doing a fabulous job.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Finally, â€œAlicia Silverstone wannabeâ€?? â€œValley Girlâ€??
How does that jibe with being a â€œmisogynistic troll assholeâ€?? And â€œperception of obtuse vapidityâ€?? Whoâ€™s â€œuptalkingâ€? now?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Heh. The fact that you don't get the joke doesn't mean it ain't funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>cop-out (kopâ€™out) n. Slang â€œAn act of or excuse for copping out; a quitting or backing down.â€?</p>
	<p>When you refuse to debate the SUBSTANCE of what I am saying and choose to QUIT (before it even starts) by throwing around refrences to â€œtrollsâ€? (or playing Grammar Cop), YOU, my friend, are â€œcopping outâ€?.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Just slow down, there, bubba. Put an ice pack on your head, or something, that thing&#8217;s getting a little overheated.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m really not sure whose post you were reading. I certainly didn&#8217;t refuse to debate the substance in what you said (what little there was, anyway).</p>
	<blockquote><p>Reading MRA brochures doesnâ€™t qualify as experience?<br />
I agree- however, being in the middle of just the type of long protracted court struggle that was described in the original article is, I would think.</p></blockquote>
	<p>I&#8217;m genuinely sorry that your ex-wife thinks you&#8217;re as much of an asshat as most of the rest of us do, but the plural of &#8220;anecdote&#8221; is still not &#8220;data.&#8221;</p>
	<blockquote><p>And since no one else here is representing the POV of these so-called â€œabusersâ€? and controllersâ€?, I thought I would.</p></blockquote>
	<p>And in a rather humourous and ironic way, you&#8217;re doing a fabulous job.</p>
	<blockquote><p>Finally, â€œAlicia Silverstone wannabeâ€?? â€œValley Girlâ€??<br />
How does that jibe with being a â€œmisogynistic troll assholeâ€?? And â€œperception of obtuse vapidityâ€?? Whoâ€™s â€œuptalkingâ€? now?</p></blockquote>
	<p>Heh. The fact that you don&#8217;t get the joke doesn&#8217;t mean it ain&#8217;t funny.
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		<title>by: Balrog</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/21/philadelphia-weekly-presents-sympathetic-view-of-abusive-exes/#comment-190184</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:42:06 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/21/philadelphia-weekly-presents-sympathetic-view-of-abusive-exes/#comment-190184</guid>
					<description>Dear Grammar Cop,

cop-out (kop'out) n. Slang &quot;An act of or excuse for copping out; a quitting or backing down.&quot;

When you refuse to debate the SUBSTANCE of what I am saying and choose to QUIT (before it even starts) by throwing around refrences to &quot;trolls&quot; (or playing Grammar Cop), YOU, my friend, are &quot;copping out&quot;.

Reading MRA brochures doesn't qualify as experience? 
I agree- however, being in the middle of just the type of long protracted court struggle that was described in the original article is, I would think.
And since no one else here is representing the POV of these so-called &quot;abusers&quot; and controllers&quot;, I thought I would. (Frankly, I'm suprised I've been able to say THIS much).

Finally, &quot;Alicia Silverstone wannabe&quot;? &quot;Valley Girl&quot;?
How does that jibe with being a &quot;misogynistic troll asshole&quot;? And &quot;perception of obtuse vapidity&quot;? Who's &quot;uptalking&quot; now?

Keep your promise, Dan- go to bed.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dear Grammar Cop,</p>
	<p>cop-out (kop&#8217;out) n. Slang &#8220;An act of or excuse for copping out; a quitting or backing down.&#8221;</p>
	<p>When you refuse to debate the SUBSTANCE of what I am saying and choose to QUIT (before it even starts) by throwing around refrences to &#8220;trolls&#8221; (or playing Grammar Cop), YOU, my friend, are &#8220;copping out&#8221;.</p>
	<p>Reading MRA brochures doesn&#8217;t qualify as experience?<br />
I agree- however, being in the middle of just the type of long protracted court struggle that was described in the original article is, I would think.<br />
And since no one else here is representing the POV of these so-called &#8220;abusers&#8221; and controllers&#8221;, I thought I would. (Frankly, I&#8217;m suprised I&#8217;ve been able to say THIS much).</p>
	<p>Finally, &#8220;Alicia Silverstone wannabe&#8221;? &#8220;Valley Girl&#8221;?<br />
How does that jibe with being a &#8220;misogynistic troll asshole&#8221;? And &#8220;perception of obtuse vapidity&#8221;? Who&#8217;s &#8220;uptalking&#8221; now?</p>
	<p>Keep your promise, Dan- go to bed&#8230;..
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		<title>by: Dan</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/21/philadelphia-weekly-presents-sympathetic-view-of-abusive-exes/#comment-190171</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:20:32 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/21/philadelphia-weekly-presents-sympathetic-view-of-abusive-exes/#comment-190171</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Actually in my experience it is the woman who goes on and on about â€œher kidsâ€? most oftenâ€¦â€¦this sense of entitlement is reinforced in Family Court every dayâ€¦.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nope, sorry. Reading MRA brochures doesn't count as &quot;experience.&quot;

And you might want to look up the word &quot;cop-out.&quot; It doesn't mean what you think it means.

Oh, yeah, and the fact that you're whining about everyone calling you a troll doesn't actually mean that you aren't one.

And â€” last one, promise â€” it's cool if you get off on writing like a valley girl and don't mind the perception of obtuse vapidity that goes along with it. The occasional typo doesn't bother me, since I can at least take comfort in the fact that I don't write like I'm an Alicia Silverstone wannabe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Actually in my experience it is the woman who goes on and on about â€œher kidsâ€? most oftenâ€¦â€¦this sense of entitlement is reinforced in Family Court every dayâ€¦.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Nope, sorry. Reading MRA brochures doesn&#8217;t count as &#8220;experience.&#8221;</p>
	<p>And you might want to look up the word &#8220;cop-out.&#8221; It doesn&#8217;t mean what you think it means.</p>
	<p>Oh, yeah, and the fact that you&#8217;re whining about everyone calling you a troll doesn&#8217;t actually mean that you aren&#8217;t one.</p>
	<p>And â€” last one, promise â€” it&#8217;s cool if you get off on writing like a valley girl and don&#8217;t mind the perception of obtuse vapidity that goes along with it. The occasional typo doesn&#8217;t bother me, since I can at least take comfort in the fact that I don&#8217;t write like I&#8217;m an Alicia Silverstone wannabe.
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		<title>by: Balrog</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/21/philadelphia-weekly-presents-sympathetic-view-of-abusive-exes/#comment-190150</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:51:45 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Actually in my experience it is the woman who goes on and on about &quot;her kids&quot; most often......this sense of entitlement is reinforced in Family Court every day....

Oh, I see you want to play the &quot;grammar and punctuation&quot; cop-out card- hey at least it's better than all the &quot;troll&quot; cards that are usually thrown around....

How about spelling &quot;responsible&quot; properly before you play &quot;writing cop&quot; with me, OK?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Actually in my experience it is the woman who goes on and on about &#8220;her kids&#8221; most often&#8230;&#8230;this sense of entitlement is reinforced in Family Court every day&#8230;.</p>
	<p>Oh, I see you want to play the &#8220;grammar and punctuation&#8221; cop-out card- hey at least it&#8217;s better than all the &#8220;troll&#8221; cards that are usually thrown around&#8230;.</p>
	<p>How about spelling &#8220;responsible&#8221; properly before you play &#8220;writing cop&#8221; with me, OK?
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		<title>by: Dan</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/21/philadelphia-weekly-presents-sympathetic-view-of-abusive-exes/#comment-190143</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:39:37 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;No, Jack, I just understand it when some (not all) women act as if they are the ONLY ones responsible for bringing their children into the worldâ€¦.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But ironically, you &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;don't&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; understand it when some (not all) &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;men&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; act as if they're the ONLY ones responsbile for bringing their children into the world.

Oh, and try laying of your &quot;period&quot; key just a bit. Ending every sentence with an ellipsis is the written equivalent of up-talking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>No, Jack, I just understand it when some (not all) women act as if they are the ONLY ones responsible for bringing their children into the worldâ€¦.</p></blockquote>
	<p>But ironically, you <i><b>don&#8217;t</b></i> understand it when some (not all) <i><b>men</b></i> act as if they&#8217;re the ONLY ones responsbile for bringing their children into the world.</p>
	<p>Oh, and try laying of your &#8220;period&#8221; key just a bit. Ending every sentence with an ellipsis is the written equivalent of up-talking.
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		<title>by: Balrog</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/21/philadelphia-weekly-presents-sympathetic-view-of-abusive-exes/#comment-190133</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:30:04 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>No, Jack, I just understand it when some (not all) women act as if they are the ONLY ones responsible for bringing their children into the world....
More troll refrences, Jack? Keep it up- you're winning this hands down- it's not like you have to make any substantive response, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>No, Jack, I just understand it when some (not all) women act as if they are the ONLY ones responsible for bringing their children into the world&#8230;.<br />
More troll refrences, Jack? Keep it up- you&#8217;re winning this hands down- it&#8217;s not like you have to make any substantive response, right?
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		<title>by: JackGoff</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/21/philadelphia-weekly-presents-sympathetic-view-of-abusive-exes/#comment-190090</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:53:59 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/21/philadelphia-weekly-presents-sympathetic-view-of-abusive-exes/#comment-190090</guid>
					<description>Heh.  Valarauk doesn't understand &quot;Immaculate&quot; either.  Surprised?  Hell no.

I talked to Echthelion of the Fountain and he said this guy is laughable so I THINK that he might not worry about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Heh.  Valarauk doesn&#8217;t understand &#8220;Immaculate&#8221; either.  Surprised?  Hell no.</p>
	<p>I talked to Echthelion of the Fountain and he said this guy is laughable so I THINK that he might not worry about it.
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		<title>by: Balrog</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/21/philadelphia-weekly-presents-sympathetic-view-of-abusive-exes/#comment-190084</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:45:38 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I read the ENTIRE post and ALL the comments, and I still say the premise is dishonest- the idea that the men depicted were &quot;abusive&quot; and wanted to &quot;control&quot; their exes.
I found it particularly interesting how (first Amanda, then, most of the rest of you)CHOSE to deliberately mis-interpret the man who referred to the &quot;Immaculate Conception&quot;- it should be obvious to anybody that his ex considered his role in their children's life to be neglible, in his opinion...
Then there was the idea that &quot;This course of high level repeated lawsuits over a course of years behavior is despicable and abusive&quot;- What that implies, I'm not exactly sure- it seems like she's
either saying 1)the lawsuits are all frivolous or 2)
the men should just accept whatever terms the courts give them the first time and leave it at that..either way, more dishonesty....
I've got to give you some credit though- even though you are just plain wrong about this, at least you didn't cop-out and play the &quot;troll' card......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I read the ENTIRE post and ALL the comments, and I still say the premise is dishonest- the idea that the men depicted were &#8220;abusive&#8221; and wanted to &#8220;control&#8221; their exes.<br />
I found it particularly interesting how (first Amanda, then, most of the rest of you)CHOSE to deliberately mis-interpret the man who referred to the &#8220;Immaculate Conception&#8221;- it should be obvious to anybody that his ex considered his role in their children&#8217;s life to be neglible, in his opinion&#8230;<br />
Then there was the idea that &#8220;This course of high level repeated lawsuits over a course of years behavior is despicable and abusive&#8221;- What that implies, I&#8217;m not exactly sure- it seems like she&#8217;s<br />
either saying 1)the lawsuits are all frivolous or 2)<br />
the men should just accept whatever terms the courts give them the first time and leave it at that..either way, more dishonesty&#8230;.<br />
I&#8217;ve got to give you some credit though- even though you are just plain wrong about this, at least you didn&#8217;t cop-out and play the &#8220;troll&#8217; card&#8230;&#8230;
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