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		<title>by: My Blahg &raquo; ISLAMIC FUNDIE OR CHRISTIAN FUNDIE?</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/15/boobie-mine/#comment-255322</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] (my sources are, Pandagon, My Blahg archive, a random Christian site, and that oh so popular quote we all hear constantly) [...]</description>
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		<title>by: Feministe &raquo; Why don&#8217;t more women breastfeed, again?</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/15/boobie-mine/#comment-178197</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:38:54 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] New mothers are told that &amp;#8220;breast is best,&amp;#8221; and that message is reinforced with guilt. (On the flip side, nursing mothers are also given the message that nursing in public is shameful and they should not &amp;#8220;whip out&amp;#8221; their breasts in public. They&amp;#8217;re also told by idiots like Shmuley Boteach that breastfeeding gets in the way of their relationships with their husbands, because God forbid a breast be used for something other than a man&amp;#8217;s pleasure. But I digress.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] New mothers are told that &#8220;breast is best,&#8221; and that message is reinforced with guilt. (On the flip side, nursing mothers are also given the message that nursing in public is shameful and they should not &#8220;whip out&#8221; their breasts in public. They&#8217;re also told by idiots like Shmuley Boteach that breastfeeding gets in the way of their relationships with their husbands, because God forbid a breast be used for something other than a man&#8217;s pleasure. But I digress.) [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Ian MacLeod</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/15/boobie-mine/#comment-165849</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:05:16 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I had to add this.  BTW, please excuse the misspelling above - I'm disabled and typing lying down - awkward at best.

Folks, no matter how you look at it, Christianity, ANYthing based on Judaism (the square root of the Talmud=guilt) and many if not most other religions is going to be &quot;gotcha no matter what you do or fail to do.&quot;  It's based on human imperfection and how pissed God is about it.  Personally I've always felt that if there's a flaw, look to the manufacturer...

You ladies can be mothers or anything else and still be sexy. Napleon had the prejudices of his time, that's all.  A woman does smell sexy - if she's reasonably clean.  Warm and sweaty is fine; slightly marinated is okay.  Rancid is not.  We've learned a bit about health since then.  

If you are looking for a way to do everything right per religion though, you're S.O.L., period.  It's designed to be impossible.  

For what it's worth, though, you tend to have a much higher pain tolerance than men, your bodies are smaller in general and more efficient in many ways, the sexual superiority is the LEAST questionable, your brains are smaller, but so are the cells, as well as being more efficient (so is the architecture: left and right brain communication is MUCH better in women), and speaking as a medically trained martial artist, you can be faster than a man.  We're bigger and more massive, so for sheer power we're usually superior and harder to damage, but proportionately, you can be as strong as or stronger than a man your own size.  And I acknowledge that most of you are just flat-out tougher in the long-term.  Okay, in the short-term too.


All taken together, men and women make great teams.  Just try to keep in mind that in this strange society, men live by their pride, and if you castrate a man even symbolically, have the grace to shoot him immediately.  Too many of us are 'WAY over-sensitive there though, and all you can do is hope to educate him or find someone else.

Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I had to add this.  BTW, please excuse the misspelling above - I&#8217;m disabled and typing lying down - awkward at best.</p>
	<p>Folks, no matter how you look at it, Christianity, ANYthing based on Judaism (the square root of the Talmud=guilt) and many if not most other religions is going to be &#8220;gotcha no matter what you do or fail to do.&#8221;  It&#8217;s based on human imperfection and how pissed God is about it.  Personally I&#8217;ve always felt that if there&#8217;s a flaw, look to the manufacturer&#8230;</p>
	<p>You ladies can be mothers or anything else and still be sexy. Napleon had the prejudices of his time, that&#8217;s all.  A woman does smell sexy - if she&#8217;s reasonably clean.  Warm and sweaty is fine; slightly marinated is okay.  Rancid is not.  We&#8217;ve learned a bit about health since then.  </p>
	<p>If you are looking for a way to do everything right per religion though, you&#8217;re S.O.L., period.  It&#8217;s designed to be impossible.  </p>
	<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, though, you tend to have a much higher pain tolerance than men, your bodies are smaller in general and more efficient in many ways, the sexual superiority is the LEAST questionable, your brains are smaller, but so are the cells, as well as being more efficient (so is the architecture: left and right brain communication is MUCH better in women), and speaking as a medically trained martial artist, you can be faster than a man.  We&#8217;re bigger and more massive, so for sheer power we&#8217;re usually superior and harder to damage, but proportionately, you can be as strong as or stronger than a man your own size.  And I acknowledge that most of you are just flat-out tougher in the long-term.  Okay, in the short-term too.</p>
	<p>All taken together, men and women make great teams.  Just try to keep in mind that in this strange society, men live by their pride, and if you castrate a man even symbolically, have the grace to shoot him immediately.  Too many of us are &#8216;WAY over-sensitive there though, and all you can do is hope to educate him or find someone else.</p>
	<p>Ian
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		<title>by: Ian MacLeod</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/15/boobie-mine/#comment-165831</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:33:38 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Ladies, I'd really like for you all to know that this kind of male is NOT the majority by a long shot.  First, a copy of a post of mine in Alternet:

Such simple answers for a change! 

Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Aug 15, 2006 10:24 PM    
Jews &quot;dumped&quot; Joe because he'd outed himself as Neocon property and just another greedy power-seeker who'll do anything for his fix, these Jews are Americans, and most Americans are tired of Neocon lies, etc.

Second, no, a woman who is breastfeeding isn't sexy, but the sight is beautiful! So basic, and at the same time, two everyday-but-genuine miracles in their own universe - so many things all at once. That's Life, the future, at least one soul with one foot still in Paradise, and for that person at that time, the world is perfect. 


This is not to say that a woman couldn't decide to turn on the sexy vibes if she wanted, but it would be guilding the lily.  I didn't just look, I delivered our son, and as far as I'm concerned, that's a piece of the Power of the Creator you ladies have there, which entitles you all to a special respect regardless of age or whatever.  As for breat-feeding, it was a beautiful thing to watch.  The entire process of making another person and caring for a child leaves me in awe, and always has.  A miracle is no less a miracle for happening often (and no, I'm NOT a Christian).  A man who's jealous of it has several screws loose - and likely a few parts fallen out on the road somewhere...

For your courage, your intelligence, your generosity, (and I see a LOT of courage and generosity in having a child!), for the beauty you add to this world in so many ways other than the obvious, but for that too, there are no words of thanks or appreciation that are adequate.  My wife is my best friend; I wanted an equal or better, and I got lucky: equal in many ways, better in many ways, a teacher and student, friend, companion, partner - I couldn't ask for more. 

Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ladies, I&#8217;d really like for you all to know that this kind of male is NOT the majority by a long shot.  First, a copy of a post of mine in Alternet:</p>
	<p>Such simple answers for a change! </p>
	<p>Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Aug 15, 2006 10:24 PM<br />
Jews &#8220;dumped&#8221; Joe because he&#8217;d outed himself as Neocon property and just another greedy power-seeker who&#8217;ll do anything for his fix, these Jews are Americans, and most Americans are tired of Neocon lies, etc.</p>
	<p>Second, no, a woman who is breastfeeding isn&#8217;t sexy, but the sight is beautiful! So basic, and at the same time, two everyday-but-genuine miracles in their own universe - so many things all at once. That&#8217;s Life, the future, at least one soul with one foot still in Paradise, and for that person at that time, the world is perfect. </p>
	<p>This is not to say that a woman couldn&#8217;t decide to turn on the sexy vibes if she wanted, but it would be guilding the lily.  I didn&#8217;t just look, I delivered our son, and as far as I&#8217;m concerned, that&#8217;s a piece of the Power of the Creator you ladies have there, which entitles you all to a special respect regardless of age or whatever.  As for breat-feeding, it was a beautiful thing to watch.  The entire process of making another person and caring for a child leaves me in awe, and always has.  A miracle is no less a miracle for happening often (and no, I&#8217;m NOT a Christian).  A man who&#8217;s jealous of it has several screws loose - and likely a few parts fallen out on the road somewhere&#8230;</p>
	<p>For your courage, your intelligence, your generosity, (and I see a LOT of courage and generosity in having a child!), for the beauty you add to this world in so many ways other than the obvious, but for that too, there are no words of thanks or appreciation that are adequate.  My wife is my best friend; I wanted an equal or better, and I got lucky: equal in many ways, better in many ways, a teacher and student, friend, companion, partner - I couldn&#8217;t ask for more. </p>
	<p>Ian
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		<title>by: Therese Norén</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/15/boobie-mine/#comment-165091</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:50:22 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Marcy:
&lt;i&gt;There’s a new genre of desire dampening that I’ve come across: women being turned off by their partner’s hygiene. This is more problematic than some people would think at first glance.&lt;/i&gt;

Or, as some Swedish 70ties feminist said, don't put anything in your pussy that you wouldn't put in your mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Marcy:<br />
<i>There’s a new genre of desire dampening that I’ve come across: women being turned off by their partner’s hygiene. This is more problematic than some people would think at first glance.</i></p>
	<p>Or, as some Swedish 70ties feminist said, don&#8217;t put anything in your pussy that you wouldn&#8217;t put in your mouth.
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		<title>by: junk science</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/15/boobie-mine/#comment-164998</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:43:26 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>The whole goddamn patriarchy is built on the neuroses of men who are desperate not to die alone, who are afraid their partners will lose interest in them sexually, who are terrified that they aren't good enough for women to love them. It's such a mind-boggling case of projection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The whole goddamn patriarchy is built on the neuroses of men who are desperate not to die alone, who are afraid their partners will lose interest in them sexually, who are terrified that they aren&#8217;t good enough for women to love them. It&#8217;s such a mind-boggling case of projection.
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		<title>by: Nancy</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/15/boobie-mine/#comment-164973</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 01:22:38 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I think that life circumstances are the most likely cause of differening sexual desire in a long-term relationship. But if an EvPsych considers the issue, there is one possibility they will never  entertain - that women might be less monogamous than men and require a variety of sexual partners to remain interested. This theory completely flies in the face of all EvPsych concepts of human sexuality, firmly entrenched in a mindset that says Patriarchy = Nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think that life circumstances are the most likely cause of differening sexual desire in a long-term relationship. But if an EvPsych considers the issue, there is one possibility they will never  entertain - that women might be less monogamous than men and require a variety of sexual partners to remain interested. This theory completely flies in the face of all EvPsych concepts of human sexuality, firmly entrenched in a mindset that says Patriarchy = Nature.
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		<title>by: Mel</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/15/boobie-mine/#comment-164868</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:26:14 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;It is not the bad thing you do that destroys a marriage, but all the good that you fail to do, preoccupied as you are with a sinful relationship that diverts your attention away from your spouse.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, BULL.

Poly people split their attention just fine.  It's not lack of attention I was angry about when my partner violated the terms of our relationship--he didn't spend a lot of time doing it, and I would have been okay with the actions had he waited for permission.  For a lot of people it's about broken trust more than lost attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>It is not the bad thing you do that destroys a marriage, but all the good that you fail to do, preoccupied as you are with a sinful relationship that diverts your attention away from your spouse.</i></p>
	<p>Oh, BULL.</p>
	<p>Poly people split their attention just fine.  It&#8217;s not lack of attention I was angry about when my partner violated the terms of our relationship&#8211;he didn&#8217;t spend a lot of time doing it, and I would have been okay with the actions had he waited for permission.  For a lot of people it&#8217;s about broken trust more than lost attention.
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		<title>by: Lorenzo</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/15/boobie-mine/#comment-164736</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:41:54 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, here I was, supremely satisfied with the scalpel I took to the Rabbi's article when I realized I'd missed the best part and best evidence!

&lt;blockquote&gt;But the principal form of marital breakdown in our time is a loss of erotic desire between husband and wife, and if couples find that breast-feeding is adding to a sense of alienation, there is always the bottle.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

First, be amazed at how the Rabbi defines 'a loss of erotic desire between husband and wife' as a loss of erotic desire by the husband for the wife's body, and then &lt;b&gt;marvel&lt;/b&gt; at how he abuses the term 'alienation'. He means husbands becoming alienated from their &lt;i&gt;wife's&lt;/i&gt; bodies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, here I was, supremely satisfied with the scalpel I took to the Rabbi&#8217;s article when I realized I&#8217;d missed the best part and best evidence!</p>
	<blockquote><p>But the principal form of marital breakdown in our time is a loss of erotic desire between husband and wife, and if couples find that breast-feeding is adding to a sense of alienation, there is always the bottle.</p></blockquote>
	<p>First, be amazed at how the Rabbi defines &#8216;a loss of erotic desire between husband and wife&#8217; as a loss of erotic desire by the husband for the wife&#8217;s body, and then <b>marvel</b> at how he abuses the term &#8216;alienation&#8217;. He means husbands becoming alienated from their <i>wife&#8217;s</i> bodies!
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		<title>by: Amanda Marcotte</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/08/15/boobie-mine/#comment-164731</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:32:14 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh Das, making statements like that means I have to break it to you---because women aren't in the mood around you isn't evidence for how women in general feel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh Das, making statements like that means I have to break it to you&#8212;because women aren&#8217;t in the mood around you isn&#8217;t evidence for how women in general feel.
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