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		<title>by: ahem</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/07/05/big-three-automakers-see-sales-plummet/#comment-132933</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 02:37:46 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;I didn’t see many of the four-seater Smarts on my last trip to France about a year ago. I saw the two-seaters everywhere. I don’t know if the four-seaters just didn’t take off, or weren’t widely available yet.&lt;/i&gt;

The ForFour's been withdrawn from production: too much competition in that sector in Europe, really. You could pay less and get a small Fiat, Renault, Citröen, Nissan, Peugeot... even a Mini. Not to mention the small cars made by GM and Ford for the Euro market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I didn’t see many of the four-seater Smarts on my last trip to France about a year ago. I saw the two-seaters everywhere. I don’t know if the four-seaters just didn’t take off, or weren’t widely available yet.</i></p>
	<p>The ForFour&#8217;s been withdrawn from production: too much competition in that sector in Europe, really. You could pay less and get a small Fiat, Renault, Citröen, Nissan, Peugeot&#8230; even a Mini. Not to mention the small cars made by GM and Ford for the Euro market.
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		<title>by: ahem</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/07/05/big-three-automakers-see-sales-plummet/#comment-132931</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 02:33:02 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I saw my first Honda Jazz yesterday: at least, the first on American soil. It does look small, amid the SUVs and pickups, but it also looks cool and cute. You're going to see a lot of Japanese cars on that scale this year, and it will break a barrier of resistance to them, both bureaucratically and in terms of their acceptance. And GM will continue to try and squeeze markups off the big guzzlers. They're more practical and make more economic sense than the Smart outside of high-density urban areas, and they answer so many transportation questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I saw my first Honda Jazz yesterday: at least, the first on American soil. It does look small, amid the SUVs and pickups, but it also looks cool and cute. You&#8217;re going to see a lot of Japanese cars on that scale this year, and it will break a barrier of resistance to them, both bureaucratically and in terms of their acceptance. And GM will continue to try and squeeze markups off the big guzzlers. They&#8217;re more practical and make more economic sense than the Smart outside of high-density urban areas, and they answer so many transportation questions.
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		<title>by: Linnaeus</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/07/05/big-three-automakers-see-sales-plummet/#comment-132758</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:30:37 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s too bad about GM. My father was a GM autoworker for more than 20 years, and it’s because of the union benefits that my sister and I were able to have a nice home and go to college.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yep, been there too.  Multiple generations of autoworkers in my family, and it was because of those good jobs that I had opportunities to do something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>It’s too bad about GM. My father was a GM autoworker for more than 20 years, and it’s because of the union benefits that my sister and I were able to have a nice home and go to college.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Yep, been there too.  Multiple generations of autoworkers in my family, and it was because of those good jobs that I had opportunities to do something else.
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		<title>by: celyn</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/07/05/big-three-automakers-see-sales-plummet/#comment-132738</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:46:28 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>My '93 Corolla station wagon is coming up on 200,000 miles and I expect I'll have to replace it within the next year or two.  It gets 32 mpg in highway driving (which is pretty much all I do).  I can't find any reliable station wagons that get this kind of mileage on the market anymore.  Bastards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My &#8216;93 Corolla station wagon is coming up on 200,000 miles and I expect I&#8217;ll have to replace it within the next year or two.  It gets 32 mpg in highway driving (which is pretty much all I do).  I can&#8217;t find any reliable station wagons that get this kind of mileage on the market anymore.  Bastards.
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		<title>by: tzs</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/07/05/big-three-automakers-see-sales-plummet/#comment-132713</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 18:46:12 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Sarcastro, did you/are you living in Japan?  I lived in Tokyo for ten years on my last stint; this next jump will probably be similar....will probably try for somewhere out near Kichijoji. (Kanagawa/Kawasaki is also a possibility.) 

Oh, and yeah, the Tokyo Motor Show is HOT! I found them great to amble around at--I always loved the concept cars and the automobile industry Shibuya girls running around in moon boots and weird wigs posing among the clouds from the dry ice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sarcastro, did you/are you living in Japan?  I lived in Tokyo for ten years on my last stint; this next jump will probably be similar&#8230;.will probably try for somewhere out near Kichijoji. (Kanagawa/Kawasaki is also a possibility.) </p>
	<p>Oh, and yeah, the Tokyo Motor Show is HOT! I found them great to amble around at&#8211;I always loved the concept cars and the automobile industry Shibuya girls running around in moon boots and weird wigs posing among the clouds from the dry ice.
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		<title>by: Ross</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/07/05/big-three-automakers-see-sales-plummet/#comment-132705</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 18:26:57 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Biodeisel is great from a carbon-only viewpoint, but don't forget that burning it releases a lot of the same harmful particulates as normal diesel.  

I'm not too excited about Subaru hybrids, even if they manage to solve some of the battery issues that are plaguing other models.  The last couple of subs I've known have  (aside from the drivetrain) been total piles of crap.  If you're going to get Big Three reliability (...aside from the drivetrain) you should at least get to pay a Big Three price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Biodeisel is great from a carbon-only viewpoint, but don&#8217;t forget that burning it releases a lot of the same harmful particulates as normal diesel.  </p>
	<p>I&#8217;m not too excited about Subaru hybrids, even if they manage to solve some of the battery issues that are plaguing other models.  The last couple of subs I&#8217;ve known have  (aside from the drivetrain) been total piles of crap.  If you&#8217;re going to get Big Three reliability (&#8230;aside from the drivetrain) you should at least get to pay a Big Three price.
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		<title>by: Sarah in Chicago</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/07/05/big-three-automakers-see-sales-plummet/#comment-132629</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:36:36 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm tall and I have no problems in my friend's Smart Car when I am up at her place in Canada. It's wonderful, and I actually get to see more of the road and surroundings than I do in normal cars. 

Plus I have really long legs and similarly had tons of leg room. Actually the seating makes you sit more upright, almost like you are in an SUV, which I find more comfortable than the usual car seating arrangements where you are almost half-lying.

Also, we had no problems passing anymore, the little thing had a huge amount of pickup from being still, and I never felt unsafe in the thing ... and, well, parking rocked :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_(automobile)

I personally think I'll get a Mini (Cooper-S of course!) ... but I still would love a Saab hybrid as well ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m tall and I have no problems in my friend&#8217;s Smart Car when I am up at her place in Canada. It&#8217;s wonderful, and I actually get to see more of the road and surroundings than I do in normal cars. </p>
	<p>Plus I have really long legs and similarly had tons of leg room. Actually the seating makes you sit more upright, almost like you are in an SUV, which I find more comfortable than the usual car seating arrangements where you are almost half-lying.</p>
	<p>Also, we had no problems passing anymore, the little thing had a huge amount of pickup from being still, and I never felt unsafe in the thing &#8230; and, well, parking rocked <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
	<p><a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_' rel='nofollow'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_</a>(automobile)</p>
	<p>I personally think I&#8217;ll get a Mini (Cooper-S of course!) &#8230; but I still would love a Saab hybrid as well &#8230;
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		<title>by: grendelkhan</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/07/05/big-three-automakers-see-sales-plummet/#comment-132622</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:24:38 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I've long thought that any senator tired of the mealymouthed opposition from domestic automakers to increased CAFE standards should just put on their best third-grader voice and say, &quot;Waah! But making efficient cars is &lt;i&gt;haaa-aaard&lt;/i&gt;!&quot;

As for more efficient cars being too tiny to fit in... I'm inconveniently tall, but I've had no problems fitting into my recently acquired Corolla. It's not much comfier for me to ride in a full-sized truck; the size issue in a well-designed car is a non-issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve long thought that any senator tired of the mealymouthed opposition from domestic automakers to increased CAFE standards should just put on their best third-grader voice and say, &#8220;Waah! But making efficient cars is <i>haaa-aaard</i>!&#8221;</p>
	<p>As for more efficient cars being too tiny to fit in&#8230; I&#8217;m inconveniently tall, but I&#8217;ve had no problems fitting into my recently acquired Corolla. It&#8217;s not much comfier for me to ride in a full-sized truck; the size issue in a well-designed car is a non-issue.
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		<title>by: Kylroy</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/07/05/big-three-automakers-see-sales-plummet/#comment-132609</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:02:33 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;I wonder which fuel/technology will win out. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was corn derived ethanol.&quot;

My money's on biodiesel.  Unlike ethanol and other bio-fuels, there is no refining involved - you put the Mazola in the tank and drive off.  The technology exists, it's just as proven as current engines, and it doesn't require us to build anything new (beyond diesel cars).  Plus, America's massive agricultural sector can produce vegetable oil in massive quantities without breaking a sweat.  I've always thought a politician could score some major points by pushing for biodiesel, emphasizing American self-reliance and ingenuity.  Something like &quot;Fuel by Iowa - not Iraq.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I wonder which fuel/technology will win out. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was corn derived ethanol.&#8221;</p>
	<p>My money&#8217;s on biodiesel.  Unlike ethanol and other bio-fuels, there is no refining involved - you put the Mazola in the tank and drive off.  The technology exists, it&#8217;s just as proven as current engines, and it doesn&#8217;t require us to build anything new (beyond diesel cars).  Plus, America&#8217;s massive agricultural sector can produce vegetable oil in massive quantities without breaking a sweat.  I&#8217;ve always thought a politician could score some major points by pushing for biodiesel, emphasizing American self-reliance and ingenuity.  Something like &#8220;Fuel by Iowa - not Iraq.&#8221;
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		<title>by: Helen H</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/07/05/big-three-automakers-see-sales-plummet/#comment-132608</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:58:52 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Many Toyotas are built in the USA.  Not mine, unfortunately.

I drive 35 mi each way when working in the office rather than in the field (I've been in the field since mid-March).  Less than 5 of those on arterial roads (so 30+ mi highway).  I usually had an overall mpg in the mid-50s with my Prius.  A little below in the coldest part of winter as the batteries are less efficient in cold and the heater requires more energy as well.  

My husband comutes around 10 mi by car; my son about 3 mi by car or bus; and my daughter (until she graduated in June) a bit over 40 mi by car, train, bus and walking.  The $300 for a multi-use monthly pass on for all parts of the MBTA is a bargain compaired to Boston rents.

The only issues I've had traction-wise with my Prius, in New England with its wonderful multi-foot snowstorms, has been with ice build up at the traffic light from the private street where my building is.

My 6'+ son and nearly 5'11&quot; daughter fit comfortably in the back seat.  It is as comfortable for my husband (6') to drive as it is for me (5'6&quot;).  It cost less than many compairable sedans.  We need the size as well as economy, so researched.

All that said, many cars get nearly as good an mpg with conventional drives.  Many of them are smaller and most are also made by Toyota, Honda, etc.  No big 3s at the moment, as far as I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Many Toyotas are built in the USA.  Not mine, unfortunately.</p>
	<p>I drive 35 mi each way when working in the office rather than in the field (I&#8217;ve been in the field since mid-March).  Less than 5 of those on arterial roads (so 30+ mi highway).  I usually had an overall mpg in the mid-50s with my Prius.  A little below in the coldest part of winter as the batteries are less efficient in cold and the heater requires more energy as well.  </p>
	<p>My husband comutes around 10 mi by car; my son about 3 mi by car or bus; and my daughter (until she graduated in June) a bit over 40 mi by car, train, bus and walking.  The $300 for a multi-use monthly pass on for all parts of the MBTA is a bargain compaired to Boston rents.</p>
	<p>The only issues I&#8217;ve had traction-wise with my Prius, in New England with its wonderful multi-foot snowstorms, has been with ice build up at the traffic light from the private street where my building is.</p>
	<p>My 6&#8242;+ son and nearly 5&#8242;11&#8243; daughter fit comfortably in the back seat.  It is as comfortable for my husband (6&#8242;) to drive as it is for me (5&#8242;6&#8243;).  It cost less than many compairable sedans.  We need the size as well as economy, so researched.</p>
	<p>All that said, many cars get nearly as good an mpg with conventional drives.  Many of them are smaller and most are also made by Toyota, Honda, etc.  No big 3s at the moment, as far as I know.
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