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		<title>by: easyVegan.info &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; A taste for flesh, in the flesh</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/05/04/the-sexual-politics-of-greasy-fast-food/#comment-108378</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:35:16 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Might this have a little sumthin-sumthin to do with the stereotype that &amp;#8220;real men&amp;#8221; eat meat, while the womenfolk can suffice on tiny sparrow&amp;#8217;s portions of lettuce and broccoli? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] Might this have a little sumthin-sumthin to do with the stereotype that &#8220;real men&#8221; eat meat, while the womenfolk can suffice on tiny sparrow&#8217;s portions of lettuce and broccoli? [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: jmcintoshster</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/05/04/the-sexual-politics-of-greasy-fast-food/#comment-97247</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 19:38:52 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/05/04/the-sexual-politics-of-greasy-fast-food/#comment-97247</guid>
					<description>One interesting note that I haven't seen picked up on yet: The guy in the mini-van is supposed to represent the cook from Queer Eye for the  Straight Guy. Hence the close-up of the New York License plate on the van. 

There's a certain redemptiveness to this shot: If you're gay, there's hope. We can fix you with a hamburger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>One interesting note that I haven&#8217;t seen picked up on yet: The guy in the mini-van is supposed to represent the cook from Queer Eye for the  Straight Guy. Hence the close-up of the New York License plate on the van. </p>
	<p>There&#8217;s a certain redemptiveness to this shot: If you&#8217;re gay, there&#8217;s hope. We can fix you with a hamburger.
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		<title>by: Zoe Brain</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/05/04/the-sexual-politics-of-greasy-fast-food/#comment-90303</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 04:01:23 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/05/04/the-sexual-politics-of-greasy-fast-food/#comment-90303</guid>
					<description>I'll just step in here with some personal observations.

From personal experience, a preference for meat appears to be at least partly hormonal. I have no idea what hormones are involved, probably not just testosterone, DHT, estrol, estrodiol etc.

Guys - chicks dig salads because they taste better to them.
Gals - guys genuinely like meat more than you do, and salads don't taste nearly as good.

This has nothing to do with sexual politics, but it appears to be about protein receptors in the brain, and how the brain was wired up starting from the 6th week after conception. Girls have more white matter in the frontal lobes than guys do, for example.

So what's my evidence for this? Consistent accounts by Transsexual men and women who all report the same thing. And naturally YMMV, there's plenty of women who love steak, and plenty of men whose idea of great food is a waldorf salad.

I'm one of the few (1 in 3.5 million?) whose bodies changed hormonally from M to F mode for no apparent reason. It happens to maybe 1 in 1000 transsexual women. The change was so sudden that it was obvious, and being a Geek Girl scientist I recorded it at the time. Blogged it too, I wasn't sure this was a survivable event, but I digress.

As for the Ad? It helps to have a sense of humour, but it doesn't appeal to me even then. But I'd say it's harmless, and not a Tool of the Patriarchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ll just step in here with some personal observations.</p>
	<p>From personal experience, a preference for meat appears to be at least partly hormonal. I have no idea what hormones are involved, probably not just testosterone, DHT, estrol, estrodiol etc.</p>
	<p>Guys - chicks dig salads because they taste better to them.<br />
Gals - guys genuinely like meat more than you do, and salads don&#8217;t taste nearly as good.</p>
	<p>This has nothing to do with sexual politics, but it appears to be about protein receptors in the brain, and how the brain was wired up starting from the 6th week after conception. Girls have more white matter in the frontal lobes than guys do, for example.</p>
	<p>So what&#8217;s my evidence for this? Consistent accounts by Transsexual men and women who all report the same thing. And naturally YMMV, there&#8217;s plenty of women who love steak, and plenty of men whose idea of great food is a waldorf salad.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m one of the few (1 in 3.5 million?) whose bodies changed hormonally from M to F mode for no apparent reason. It happens to maybe 1 in 1000 transsexual women. The change was so sudden that it was obvious, and being a Geek Girl scientist I recorded it at the time. Blogged it too, I wasn&#8217;t sure this was a survivable event, but I digress.</p>
	<p>As for the Ad? It helps to have a sense of humour, but it doesn&#8217;t appeal to me even then. But I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s harmless, and not a Tool of the Patriarchy.
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		<title>by: Colorado Dave</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/05/04/the-sexual-politics-of-greasy-fast-food/#comment-84967</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 00:12:33 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/05/04/the-sexual-politics-of-greasy-fast-food/#comment-84967</guid>
					<description>Matt McIrvin:

&lt;blockquote&gt;While weâ€™re at it, why do the menus at so many restaurants label their low-fat entrees with embarrassing cutesy names that reference attempts to lose weight, buy into the food=sin equivalence that particularly seems to be pushed at women all the time, or both? â€œXtra-Skinn-E No-Guilt Chickenâ€? and such?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That's funny restaurants I go to have things on the menu like: Bharta Makhni, Masaman Curry, steak au poivre, or Sheesh Ta' Ouk.

If you ever find yourself in an establishment with something like &lt;i&gt;Xtra-Skinn-E No-Guilt Chicken&lt;/i&gt; back away quickly for they do not serve food. They might serve a food-like substance but it is not food and has no nutritional value. If you often find yourself in this situation I suggest a trip to the cookbook section of your local bookstore followed by the grocery store. 

If you know how to cook you will find you are able to eat quite well at a reasonable price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Matt McIrvin:</p>
	<blockquote><p>While weâ€™re at it, why do the menus at so many restaurants label their low-fat entrees with embarrassing cutesy names that reference attempts to lose weight, buy into the food=sin equivalence that particularly seems to be pushed at women all the time, or both? â€œXtra-Skinn-E No-Guilt Chickenâ€? and such?</p></blockquote>
	<p>That&#8217;s funny restaurants I go to have things on the menu like: Bharta Makhni, Masaman Curry, steak au poivre, or Sheesh Ta&#8217; Ouk.</p>
	<p>If you ever find yourself in an establishment with something like <i>Xtra-Skinn-E No-Guilt Chicken</i> back away quickly for they do not serve food. They might serve a food-like substance but it is not food and has no nutritional value. If you often find yourself in this situation I suggest a trip to the cookbook section of your local bookstore followed by the grocery store. </p>
	<p>If you know how to cook you will find you are able to eat quite well at a reasonable price.
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		<title>by: Colorado Dave</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/05/04/the-sexual-politics-of-greasy-fast-food/#comment-84960</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 23:49:43 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Okay this is beyond silly but I have to reply, I don't know why.

Any guy who bases their masculine self-image on their diet has way too many self-esteem issues to go into. (I suppose I could also say any woman who bases her feminine self-image on her diet likewise has some self-esteem problems going on.)

In the last week I have eaten Pad Thai with Tofu, a Ribeye, Spaghetti, a hot dog, catfish, an omelette, a quiche, a spinach salad, some chicken soup, a bunch of gorgonzola and well you don't need to know my entire dietary history but I think you get the point. I ate a wide variety of foods and I cooked them all (okay I didn't make the gorgonzola). I like variety and I'm a good cook. It has nothing to do with my sense of &quot;manliness.&quot; (Although I do get a sort of macho pride out of being a good cook.)

I think Americans are so messed up by food because they can't cook and neither could their parents. My mom was a great cook and got me started. I'm a great cook and eat healthy balanced meals. 

If your idea of a good restaurant is a steak house you need to get in the kitchen. I refuse to spend 50 bucks on a meal that takes less than 30 minutes to cook with ingredients that shouldn't cost more than 15 bucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Okay this is beyond silly but I have to reply, I don&#8217;t know why.</p>
	<p>Any guy who bases their masculine self-image on their diet has way too many self-esteem issues to go into. (I suppose I could also say any woman who bases her feminine self-image on her diet likewise has some self-esteem problems going on.)</p>
	<p>In the last week I have eaten Pad Thai with Tofu, a Ribeye, Spaghetti, a hot dog, catfish, an omelette, a quiche, a spinach salad, some chicken soup, a bunch of gorgonzola and well you don&#8217;t need to know my entire dietary history but I think you get the point. I ate a wide variety of foods and I cooked them all (okay I didn&#8217;t make the gorgonzola). I like variety and I&#8217;m a good cook. It has nothing to do with my sense of &#8220;manliness.&#8221; (Although I do get a sort of macho pride out of being a good cook.)</p>
	<p>I think Americans are so messed up by food because they can&#8217;t cook and neither could their parents. My mom was a great cook and got me started. I&#8217;m a great cook and eat healthy balanced meals. </p>
	<p>If your idea of a good restaurant is a steak house you need to get in the kitchen. I refuse to spend 50 bucks on a meal that takes less than 30 minutes to cook with ingredients that shouldn&#8217;t cost more than 15 bucks.
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		<title>by: Hershele Ostropoler</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/05/04/the-sexual-politics-of-greasy-fast-food/#comment-84924</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 21:49:10 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I just heard the ad -- it's echoing in my apartment as I type -- and they've removed the offending &quot;vegetable medley.&quot; Now it's just four guys celebrating their meat. Er, you know what I mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I just heard the ad &#8212; it&#8217;s echoing in my apartment as I type &#8212; and they&#8217;ve removed the offending &#8220;vegetable medley.&#8221; Now it&#8217;s just four guys celebrating their meat. Er, you know what I mean.
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		<title>by: Right Wing Nation &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; Need A Good Laugh?</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/05/04/the-sexual-politics-of-greasy-fast-food/#comment-83787</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 06:37:04 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/05/04/the-sexual-politics-of-greasy-fast-food/#comment-83787</guid>
					<description>[...] Check out this idiocy. Folks, they don&amp;#8217;t get no stupider than this. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] Check out this idiocy. Folks, they don&#8217;t get no stupider than this. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Bubba</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/05/04/the-sexual-politics-of-greasy-fast-food/#comment-83667</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2006 21:33:45 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/05/04/the-sexual-politics-of-greasy-fast-food/#comment-83667</guid>
					<description>I always Liked the Foster's &quot;How to speak Australian&quot; commercial where they show this huge porterhouse steak and someone puts a piece of parseley on top and they say &quot;SALAD&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I always Liked the Foster&#8217;s &#8220;How to speak Australian&#8221; commercial where they show this huge porterhouse steak and someone puts a piece of parseley on top and they say &#8220;SALAD&#8221;.
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		<title>by: IMAO</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/05/04/the-sexual-politics-of-greasy-fast-food/#comment-83426</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2006 12:58:44 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/05/04/the-sexual-politics-of-greasy-fast-food/#comment-83426</guid>
					<description>&lt;strong&gt;A Present For the Manly Men Out There - UPDATED 12:45 PM...&lt;/strong&gt;

What should you eat while you're driving your SUV through a crowd of hippies? Why, the Burger King Texas Double......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><strong>A Present For the Manly Men Out There - UPDATED 12:45 PM&#8230;</strong></p>
	<p>What should you eat while you&#8217;re driving your SUV through a crowd of hippies? Why, the Burger King Texas Double&#8230;&#8230;
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		<title>by: Hershele Ostropoler</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/05/04/the-sexual-politics-of-greasy-fast-food/#comment-82102</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 11:11:36 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/05/04/the-sexual-politics-of-greasy-fast-food/#comment-82102</guid>
					<description>LC Scotty:
&lt;i&gt;Why assume the uncomfortable silence after the broccoli is some sort of homophobic â€œDude you just crapped on the carpet.â€? sort of moment?&lt;/i&gt;

What do you think it is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>LC Scotty:<br />
<i>Why assume the uncomfortable silence after the broccoli is some sort of homophobic â€œDude you just crapped on the carpet.â€? sort of moment?</i></p>
	<p>What do you think it is?
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