I can’t let this teenage sex cults thing pass with a brief mention. It’s just too funny.
In the memo released by the FDA, Dr. Curtis Rosebraugh, an agency medical officer, wrote: “As an example, she [Woodcock] stated that we could not anticipate, or prevent extreme promiscuous behaviors such as the medication taking on an ‘urban legend’ status that would lead adolescents to form sex-based cults centered around the use of Plan B.”
That would be a really inefficient sex cult, for what it’s worth. Seems to me that condoms would be the contraceptive of choice for these mythical teenage Dionysians, due to the fact that you can use condoms every night, unlike Plan B. Apparently the FDA officer isn’t aware that there have been other kinds of accessible contraceptives around for a long time, or she might have realized that we have substantial evidence that contraceptive access doesn’t actually lure teenagers into sex cults. And why should she know? Why would we expect a government official analyzing contraceptive use to know anything about contraception?
But mocking inept BushCo ideologues, while fun, is not the point of this post. The point of this post is to point out something I realized when I was discussing the teenage sex cult thing with a friend and he idly mentioned that it reminded him of the Satanic panic of the 80s, when the widespread urban legend that day cares were harboring Satanic cults that sought to torture children. It was a bunch of blooey, of course, but I remember those days and people really did believe it. (The city I lived in at the time–El Paso–had a prominent case where innocent people were sent to jail for Satanic ritual abuse and during that time it seemed people would believe anything you said so long as Satan was invoked.) After hearing a speaker who pointed out aptly that the Satanic panic where children were the victims came directly after a period where Satanic imagery in movies like The Omen and Rosemary’s Baby positioned children as the perpetrators and adults as the victims, I had a lot better idea of why it is that the mid-80s was really the point in time for that rapid about-face in the zeitgeist.
After being reminded of the Satanic panic, it immediately occured to me that the kids that were the source of all this day care anxiety are the exact same kids, age-wise, that people are credulously believing all these “crazy teen sex” rumors about. And that made me even more pissed off than I already was about this ridiculous stalling of the approval to sell Plan B over the counter because it seems to me this escalating anxiety about the young people having sex is just the next phase of over a half century long anxiety attack of the dreaded Boomer generation.* It’s one long, unending rope of neurosis snaking through our culture, and ever since this overpopulated generation started to procreate in heavy numbers, their kids have been the target of said neurosis.**
The kids born in the 80s and on are the beneficiaries all all these great social changes and all it seems that people can do is resent them for it. Growing up finally in a world where women have equal employment rights to men? “OHMIGOD THE SATANISTS WANT TO EAT OUR CHILDREN AND FUCK THEIR CORPSES BECAUSE THEIR MOTHERS WORK!” Medical science is on the cusp of sparing this generation all after it the dread of accidental pregnancy and catching STDs that all generations before had to suffer from? “OHMIGOD TEENAGE SEX CULTS LIVE AT 11!” I think maybe these past few decades of anxiety attacks would be a little less irritating if the overdramatics could be dialed down a bit.
There’s not much productive value to this post, of course. That the nation is the hands of a huge number of people who are having a shit fit because they can’t decide if “Leave It To Beaver” was their childhood or not is not something that any of us can really change. Well, maybe a little Valium in the water supply might do it, actually, if there wasn’t a good chance it would result in, “OHMIGOD WE’RE SEDATING OUR CHILDREN TO MAKE UP FOR THE FACT THAT ‘LUDES WERE A JOKE IN 70S!” as a reaction.
*Necessary caveat to keep the emails from flowing in: No, dammit, I don’t mean all Boomers. Just the ones that voted for Nixon and Reagan but did drugs anyway.
**For fuck’s sake, I’m discussing a trend, not individuals. My parents are Boomers and while my dad can be a little weird about this shit, my mother is pretty clear-headed when it comes to her kids.
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Exactly. Though I hafta admit that believing that teenagers are going to gather in a deserted basement, light some candles, and have sex while reciting the drug interaction precautions on a Plan B label might suggest a more serious pathology than simply resenting the kids for having so much fun.
No, dammit, I don’t mean all Boomers. Just the ones that voted for Nixon and Reagan but did drugs anyway.
Plus the ones with the snide sense of superiority about their generation’s social/cultural accomplishments, and the corresponding disdain for the “inferior” work of younger generations. And the ones who don’t acknowledge that their cultural landmarks were coopted and sold back to them by Big Industry a million times over, and have started trying to convince younger generations that We ought to buy into Their cultural landmarks too. And, relatedly, the ones who lack the miniscule willpower necessary to make the analogical leap from the way they were perceived by their parents to the way they perceive their children. Essentially, the self-directed self-congratulatory self-worried (even the Boomers who hate the Boomers can’t stop talking about the Boomers!) solipsists who are so mired in their self regard that they have the nerve to tar another generation wholesale with the same slurs that can be applied to them.
Oh hell, I pretty much hate all of them. Individual examples are OK (I’ve let my dad know I don’t hate him, cause he’s a pretty thoughtful guy, and my mom’s exempt because she didn’t grow up in the US), but as a group I hate all of them.
OT question, and a self-involved one at that:
What does the comment software flag for moderation? I used to think it was profanity, and then I thought it was length, but my comment currently awaiting moderation is neither that lengthy nor profane. I’d wonder if I’ve been blacklisted, except all my comments end up being approved anyway. If there’s some simple thing I’ve foolishly been doing, I could avoid it in the future.
Not that my comment really added anything to any potential future discussion, I just wanted to dogpile on the Boomers a little.
There’s a long list of spam words. Yours managed to have “wholesale” and “drugs” in it, and that might have done it.
We once had a thread here about Viagra and Cialis. I thought my arm was going to fall off moderating the damn thing.
from 1999:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/georgia/
Kids don’t need a good reason to be stupid.
TV will do it for them.
“And Lo, Megan took of Plan B, and three days later, she was not with child.”
I think the Boomers get credit for too much. The movers and shakers were people born before the Baby Boom, during the Great Depression. The people from the Silent Generation (25′-45′) include Martin Luther King Jr., Andy Warhol, Elvis Presley, Richard Pryor, and Jimi Hendrix. The Boomers mostly witnessed and ruined things later. Remember, Bush is a Boomer.
At least this means they’re not gay, I guess……
Digby posted about this earlier…
Former FDA Commissioner Lester Crawford, Dr. Janet Woodcock, deputy operations commissioner, and Dr. Steven Galson, director of the FDA’s drug evaluation center, are to testify in court-ordered depositions to be ….
Do you have to be a teenager to get into a sex cult? Just askin’.
Individual examples are OK (I’ve let my dad know I don’t hate him, cause he’s a pretty thoughtful guy, and my mom’s exempt because she didn’t grow up in the US), but as a group I hate all of them.
That’s a lot of people to hate. Baby Boomers are not a monolithic group, anymore than “Generation X’ers” or whatever are. You sound like me talking about southerners.
What rock does Bush find loons like Woodcock under? Don’t most people have sex because they like sex rather than for the thrill of using contraception? I always thought most people considered contraception a necessary annoyance, not the reason they have sex. But then again, I’m not a wingnut.
That’s a lot of people to hate.
Don’t worry, I don’t seem to be in danger of running out. Irony and outrage are becoming weary to me, but my capacity to loathe massive and hazily defined groups of people keeps on trucking.
Don’t most people have sex because they like sex rather than for the thrill of using contraception?
Well, since these people seemed to be baffled by any deviation from the minimum sexual behavior necessary to procreate, maybe they think the attempt to deny conception is another dangerous kink, like getting whipped, or not feeling ashamed.
Ahhh the McMartin travesty….
Amanda is right on target when she said that there was something weird in the water in the mid eighties regarding child care and satanism. If you go back and look up the wiki article on the McMartin preschool trial, the allegations are just plain ludicrious. Children were reported as being threatened by lions, flushed down toilets into secret chambers, and being flown around in hot air balloons. And yet people believed them, and there are still some people who claimed to have found the underground tunnels. The phenomenon of Satanic Ritual Abuse (SRA) is still going on and is doumented by the always invaulable Fortean Times Messageboard:
http://tinyurl.com/mjmf4
On a more personal note, my mom was sucked into the general anxiety of McMartin and instead of having me placed into a daycare, I was shipped off to a private school.
As someone a little bit younger than the youngest baby boomer, I say have at it - insult them all! I’ve had to listen to their self-aggrandizement all my life, and I was over it a long time ago. Never apologize for insulting baby boomers. It just encourages them.
The claim that ritual abuse doesn’t take place is bizarre. People are in jail for it in Europe, America and Australia. And they confessed to it. And photos were found of them ritualistically abusing children. And knives, candles, pentagrams, etc. were uncovered.
You don’t read about the successful cases because it makes for such gruesome news. Newspapers don’t like to cover court cases in which an entire family stands up in court and says “Yes, we raped our children and grandchildren, and we believe in Satan.” All sorts of things don’t make the news nationally and internationally, particularly if you live in America and that whole concept of “overseas” is very challenging.
Hence your myopic focus on McMartin, although if you actually read what occured in that case - and not the Cliff’s Notes, people, but the actual transcripts - you might realise that the allegations of ritual abuse never made it to court. As far as jurisprudence is concerned, McMartin was not a ritual abuse case.
It may also interest you to know that an archeological dig by an expert from UCLA uncovered tunnels under the preschool in the precise formation disclosed by the children.
http://tesserae.org/tess/prose/tunnels2.html
Wikipedia tells us that these findings were “refuted” by Ralph Underwager, founder and sole member (along with his wife) of the Institute for Psychological Therapies. We might ask why a psychologist thought he had the expertise to challenge the findings of an archeological dig.
Perhaps we can find a partial answer to that question in Underwager’s 1993 interview with Paidika, the journal of paedophilia, where he claims that paedophilia is a choice that is celebrated by God. He had to step down from the board of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation after that.
Organised paedophilia happens. They are smart and brutal and they do some pretty awful stuff to kids. Luckily for them, they can always count on people like you and the power of denial.
“We once had a thread here about Viagra and Cialis. I thought my arm was going to fall off moderating the damn thing.”
Is that what they call it these days?
I would have willingly worshipped Satan to get into a sex cult, back in high school. I’m sure I would’ve taken Plan B too if that was part of the deal, despite my being a dude.
I agree with most of this post, especially linking today’s teenage sex cult nonsense to all the Satanic ritual abuse nonsense of the ’80s (which was, incidentally, intimately connected to the contemporaneous recovered-memory nonsense).
Just one disagreement: how does Rosemary’s Baby blame the child? I can see how The Omen does, and actually quite a few other movies (It’s Alive being a particularly spectacular example). But the Satanic villains in Rosemary’s Baby are largely older folks (members of what is now the “Greatest Generation” and their parents), as well as child-of-the-Depression (what _do_ we call folks too young to be GGers and too old to be Boomers?….lord I hate generation-think, but that’s a broader problem) John Cassavetes, who essentially sells Mia Farrow’s body to the Devil.
we could not anticipate, or prevent extreme promiscuous behaviors such as the medication taking on an ‘urban legend’ status that would lead adolescents to form sex-based cults centered around the use of Plan B.
Ever get the feeling Republicans just don’t remember their teenaged years at all? I mean, a sex-based cult? Do they really think that anybody at that age is going to want to expose their awkward new bodies to the potential scorn and ridicule of not just one partner, but many, just because there’s a new contraceptive out there?
Well, if it’s any help, there’s evidence of pagan sex/death cults here in the UK:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/04/27/npagan27.xml
Of course, at 57, hardly teenagers - hey! lets have a witch-hunt amongst the _boomers_ for sex/death cults, for once
Oh, and
How could you vote for them _without_ the assistance of drugs?
The claim that ritual abuse doesn’t take place is bizarre. People are in jail for it in Europe, America and Australia. And they confessed to it. And photos were found of them ritualistically abusing children. And knives, candles, pentagrams, etc. were uncovered.
I suppose then that all people who confessed to witchcraft in the hysteria that swept Europe and America–Salem being but one of hundreds of examples–were guilty, too?
Convincing people they’ve been sexually abused when they have not is abuse in and of itself. For shame. And on behalf of all the people I know who were actually sexually abused as children, let me just say that this hysteria about Satan-worshipping and other nonsense has caused massive damage to the ability of actual victims to be believed because their stories aren’t salacious enough to get people’s attention. For shame.
Ever get the feeling Republicans just don’t remember their teenaged years at all? I mean, a sex-based cult? Do they really think that anybody at that age is going to want to expose their awkward new bodies to the potential scorn and ridicule of not just one partner, but many, just because there’s a new contraceptive out there?
I think a lot of people have the idea that everyone in high school was having wild and fantastic daily orgies except them.
Oh, I gotcher Teenage Sex Cult right here…..
You don’t read about the successful cases because it makes for such gruesome news. Newspapers don’t like to cover court cases in which an entire family stands up in court and says “Yes, we raped our children and grandchildren, and we believe in Satan.� All sorts of things don’t make the news nationally and internationally, particularly if you live in America and that whole concept of “overseas� is very challenging.
I’m a little dubious of claims that there’s anything too sensational for the media to cover.
I was born in 1985 and I am confused. If there was the Silent Generation from 1925 to 1945, the Baby Boomers from 1945 to 1965, and Generation X from 1965 to 1985, then what generation am I? True, I was born in 1985 and there is an overlap between myself and Generation X, but my mother and father are from Generation X too, and that’s just not allowed. It violates some law of physics or something. So are the children born during and after 1985 to remain nameless?
I’ve heard us referred to as Generation Y (which is retarded), the Entitlement Generation (which is overly bitchy and also retarded), and the Dancing Internet Baby Generation. I like the last one best.
Boy, I am SO going to enjoy having the Gen Xs pay for my Social Security in a few years. heh heh.
You don’t read about the successful cases because it makes for such gruesome news. Newspapers don’t like to cover court cases in which an entire family stands up in court and says “Yes, we raped our children and grandchildren, and we believe in Satan.� All sorts of things don’t make the news nationally and internationally, particularly if you live in America and that whole concept of “overseas� is very challenging.
That is such bullshit. The Globe and Mail just finished coverage of a case in which a young child was left locked in a small room, without food or water, by his grandparents, in a house full of adults and several other young children. The kid slowly starved to death while lying in urine and fecal-encrusted sheets, and none of the adults, not Catholic Childrens Aid, nobody, gave a good god damn about him. It was a horrible, gruesome story, and the Globe didn’t even hesitate to cover it, and condemn everyone involved through that method.
If Satanic pedophile sex-cults were being successfully prosecuted, we’d hear about it.
Garnet is right, I can’t imagine that editors in every major newspaper and TV station saying “a sex scandal involving children and Satan worship? BOOOOORRRRING, what else you got?”
Ah, but our cult controls the media. That’s why they don’t mention the vast, organized conspiracy in the story you cite, firefalluk. They want it to look like an ordinary case of alleged murder that happens to involve non-Christians.
Boy, I am SO going to enjoy having the Gen Xs pay for my Social Security in a few years. heh heh.
Hey Woodrowfan - just remember, we older Gen Xers are the ones who will be making the “pull the plug/don’t pull the plug” choices for you baby boomers!
BenzeneBoyWonder -
I’m cusp of “Generation X” and “Generation [?]” myself (born at the end of 1982, so my formative childhood years, aside from some very hazy memories of cartoons I can’t track down online which makes me sad, were definitely the 90s). Frankly, I’d advise you to join me in rebelling against the notion that your generation has a name for it. I mean, it’s not like we’ve got names for most of the generations in history. Reject categorization!
*Also, the conflation of cultural generations with reproductive ones is weird and dumb. The fact that people tend to start having their kids between 20 and 30 doesn’t mean they’ve got anything in common with people 20 years older than they are. The older members of Gen X are turning 40, and I don’t have anything special in common with them, if you want to say that I’m the tail end of that same group. Hell, I don’t have anything of cultural significance in common with my cousins, who are six and eight years younger than I am, except ties to our parental immigrant culture.
I was born in 1985 and I am confused. If there was the Silent Generation from 1925 to 1945, the Baby Boomers from 1945 to 1965, and Generation X from 1965 to 1985, then what generation am I?
Hmmm . . . most of time, I see groupings ending GenX at 1977 or 1980, not 1985. I do think GenY is commonly preferred for those born after the beginning of the 1980s through the mid/late-1990s. (Those born 1995-2000 are still included in GenY right now, but I suspect they’re going to be broken out at some point, like some tend to break GenX into the Baby Busters and GenX.)
Damn kids.
A post-’80 birthdate is definitely “Gen Y” (though that’s a terrible label, I’ll grant you, worse than “X”). I was born in ‘69 and am X without question. My younger brother was born in ‘75 and he represents to me nearly the youngest among those I can recognize as being co-generationists.
People born between ‘60 and ‘65 tend to have a hard time with generational identification. (They’re often the first to point out the limitations of the concept.)
I loathe boomers as a rule (and I’m hating them more and more by the week), but I find older boomers (born before ‘50) much easier to take than younger ones.
I think Woodcock is simultaneously fixated on sex and peeved because of her name.
As far as I know, this is still just a remark by an FDA staffer, so it has a long way to go before it reaches the “cultural hallmark” status of the Satan’s Childcare Workers craze.
But then, we’re Boomers, so you shouldn’t feel any great obligation to be fair to us. We’d kill you and everyone you care about if it beefed up our retirement accounts. And then go out for ice cream.
The older members of Gen X are turning 40, and I don’t have anything special in common with them
As one of the older Gen Xers, I can tell you it’s worse than that. We, the oldest of the Gen Xers, really look down on the rest of you goofs.
Why?
Headbangers’ Ball. MTV put that nonsense heavy metal crap on the weekends while we, the elder Gen Xers had dates and parties, and they knew we wouldn’t be watching.
Our younger siblings, who, of course, idolized us, were stuck at home as they weren’t old enough to drive. So they watched MTV on weekend nights and thought HBB was SERIOUS and not a gag.
The techno pop/new wave of the early 80s gives way to heavy metal hair bands of the late 80s. Which we elder Gen Xers continued to mock, now that we were cool college kids.
If you don’t even have music in common, how can you be the same generation?
What links us together? A united disgust for Baby Boomers and their incessant whining and attention-whoring. Has there ever been such a group of immature narcissists?
Plus, if I remember correctly, Gen X is actually supposed to be Generation 10 (from the founding of the US?) So Gen Y *should* be Gen XI.
It’s all bogus. Your ‘age’ has more to do with where you are in life–living it up single, having babies, raising teens, empty nesting (please forgive the heteronormativity). I remember being totally freaked at my first high school reunion by someone who was married with kids, as I was no where near settling down. That classmate is effectively 15 years older than I, though we are both early Gen X.
But if we can’t lump people into giant categories, we can’t dismiss them in one fell swoop.
[…] In honor of the newest Skeptics’ Circle at Coturnix’s blog and because we have ourselves a true believer in comments, this post is going to be about a topic that holds quite a bit of fascination for me, the mid-80s hysteria about mysterious Satanic cults that were supposedly molesting children that were in day care. As I mentioned in the linked post, one reason the Satanic panic holds a fascination with me is because I lived in El Paso at the time, and remember very vividly how the rumors of Satanic cults spread through the city after some innocent day care workers were found guilty of molesting children in Satanic rituals, only to have their convictions overturned. I’m also fascinated by how something that should have been a good thing–growing public awareness of the reality of sexual abuse of children and just sexual abuse in general–tipped over into this weird netherworld where the mundane reality of sexual assault was ignored in favor of a sort of “top this” scandal coverage that, in the end, only managed to make it harder for people who suffer real assault to get attention, due to the lack of salacious details. […]
True Believer M:
I became briefly obsessed w/ the day care mass (manufactured) panic a little over 10 years ago, partially because there was a big case in Shelton Washington, near where I lived at the time. I did a lot of reading on it, and everything Amanda says is correct.
This ‘E. Gary Stickel, PhD’ fellow frankly sounds like a crank. Googling his name gets fewer than 300 hits, mostly from material associated with this one case, which leads me to think he’s not much, if any kind, of professional academic.
You cite Underwager’s alleged refutation, which does indeed look suspiciously cranky. But you might have cited this, too, which doesn’t look good for your case.
Certainly organized pedophilia takes place. Any crime you can imagine can be organized in some way. But the crimes described by these feverish nutcases in the 80s–cannibalism, devil worship, and murder–never took place, and if they did, they did not take place in any statistically significant way.
Just to satisfy my curiosity I followed out a few of the leads. Many of those online articles about Stickel repeat each other and are distinguished only by their inabibility to distinguish between a ‘UCLA Archaelogist’ versus someone who received his PhD from UCLA. I think, if Stickel in fact has (had?) a degree, it’s the latter.
And those tunnels? Probably an old landfill.
Dr T: just stay off my lawn dagnabit!
Actually I find older boomers more annoying, (I was born in 59) because they all still seem to be refighting Vietnam and they still love the Dreadful Grate and Bob “Mumbles” Dylan. Get over it guys, Woodstock was a smelly mess with bad sound and bad drugs.
Hogan: Ice Cream?? What kind??
Besides, , the Gen Xers hogged all the good satanic child BBQs back in the early 90s…
“The claim that ritual abuse doesn’t take place is bizarre. People are in jail for it in Europe, America and Australia. And they confessed to it. And photos were found of them ritualistically abusing children. And knives, candles, pentagrams, etc. were uncovered.”
It’s funny - I’m from Australia and I’ve seen nothing to support the claim that there are Satanists lurking around the place. There might be the odd killer that professes his love for Beelzebub, however I’d put it to you that they would have found another reason to get their kill on. These people are psychopaths, not Satanists.
I’ve certainly heard nothing about teenagers that are Satanists over here.
BenzeneBoyWonder: I was born in 1985 and I am confused… what generation am I?
I’m sorry to inform you that the term is going to be “the Victim Generation.” Here ya go, kid: nine trillion dollars in public debt, the ice-caps melting, war in all four corners of this accurséd globe, and meanwhile your government is preemptively working away at the hypothetical problem of rockin’ teen-age sex cults.
Sorry.
yrs WDK - 1954-2007(?)
Woodrowfan - ‘59? Heck, you may pulling the plug on me. We’re not that far apart. Just goes to show how artificial these designations can be.
[i]But the Satanic villains in Rosemary’s Baby are largely older folks (members of what is now the “Greatest Generation� and their parents), as well as child-of-the-Depression (what _do_ we call folks too young to be GGers and too old to be Boomers?….lord I hate generation-think, but that’s a broader problem) John Cassavetes, who essentially sells Mia Farrow’s body to the Devil.[/i]
My father’s a member of that generation. I’ve seen it most often referred to as either the “Forgotten Generation” or the “Silent Generation”.
As for Gen X, I miss our original name, the Baby Bust. I so hoped for a generation of Busters to counteract the Boomers.
Sigh. And today I learned my coding skills aren’t what they were. Can we all pretend that quote was italicized?
This is too complicated a subject to get its due on a blog or its comments, but I want to throw out my chunk of truth here: there is a lot of blame to go around, feminists, therapists, stupid parents and scholarship have created a
small but human population of adult women who believe they experienced satanic abuse as children, and they have hysterical personalities, they can’t talk because their narratives are totally stigmatized and thoroughly dismissed and I am waiting furiously for someone to first acknowledge these young women exist, take responsibility for that, and offer an intelligent strategy in helping them, when everything about them flies in the face of the accepted scientific therapeutic paradigm. They’re freaks and they are lost.
I am not one of them, but I have encountered them in the mental health system, and I never doubt the sincerity of the narrative no matter how outlandish. You know what? SOMETHING happened. That should be enough for anyone. These poor women. Some people have a lot of explaining to do.
[…] I daresay none of you teenagers will hear about, think about, or desire sex for the first time as a result of an interaction with poorly formed half-sentences on the screen of your cellular telephone device. Nor do I expect a reminder to educate urself, protect urself, and communicate with potential partners to send u spiraling n2 participation in Satanic death sex orgy cults. […]
[…] “That was the morning after pill, Jan. Sure, we’re in medias res, but we play it extra safe here in our satanic sex orgy cult!” […]
I’m beginning of ‘82, and on our ‘generation’, I quote my high school history teacher:
“The Boomers run everything, and Generation X is just kind of waiting for them to die out so they can take over. But by the time that happens, you guys, the Children of the ’80s, will be old enough to take over, fix things, and rule the world. Those poor Gen X suckers.”
RE: Generations: Born in 1960, I am too young to really be a boomer (though I dated them almost exclusively), and I am the child of people too old to actually be boomers, born *during* the war, whose friends were almost exclusively boomers. I have a lot of Gen X friends and certainly was in the club scene with the oldest Gen Xers. We don’t really fit anywhere and we don’t much care. I recognize as co-generationalists people on either side of this so-called divide, cause we have pop culture references in common and for no other reason, really. That seems a ridiculous unifying principle to say the least, but it’s pretty much all the “Generation” Dividers got.