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		<title>by: Temple Stark.com</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/04/06/how-to-read-a-primer-for-tv-debate-show-fans/#comment-67037</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:52:24 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;Park Slope Prats...&lt;/strong&gt;

After the post below about &quot;Political Incorrectness&quot; (and Ms.** Amanda's update post is terrible in a &quot;What I was misunderstood? Yeah, it was my fault, but , well you're stupid,&quot; kind of way) I had to post about this Political......</description>
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	<p>After the post below about &#8220;Political Incorrectness&#8221; (and Ms.** Amanda&#8217;s update post is terrible in a &#8220;What I was misunderstood? Yeah, it was my fault, but , well you&#8217;re stupid,&#8221; kind of way) I had to post about this Political&#8230;&#8230;
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		<title>by: Triffid Farmer</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/04/06/how-to-read-a-primer-for-tv-debate-show-fans/#comment-66038</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:00:03 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;It was actually an Atrios link.&lt;/i&gt;

Ah, that explains all the unfamiliar faces arriving by train, with so much baggage to unload.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>It was actually an Atrios link.</i></p>
	<p>Ah, that explains all the unfamiliar faces arriving by train, with so much baggage to unload.
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		<title>by: karpad</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/04/06/how-to-read-a-primer-for-tv-debate-show-fans/#comment-65998</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:46:14 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Bill Maher does not believe in the germ theory of disease.&lt;/i&gt;

ka. blink.

yeah, I'm gonna have to ask for a quote there, skippy. 

aside: someone bumped the &quot;Juggalo gay-basher psycho&quot; thread today, which sort of reminded me.

Bill Maher is what ICP is gonna be in another 20 years. They're gonna have a late night &quot;comedy talk show&quot; called &quot;raping bitches with bats&quot; and have on the cream of the psycho right wing pundit crop, and anyone else they can possibly book to argue with them, no matter how low tier they are. They shall expound on the virtues of Faygo cola and how it's totally unfair that after the &quot;we're sick of this crap&quot; revolution of 2012, it's impossible for anyone who doesn't support universal health care and the ERA mark 2 (which includes clauses on sexuality in addition to gender) can't get elected and how white males who wear stupid makeup are the ones who are really discriminated against.

which is why they only get low tier liberals. because high tier liberals are busy building our socialist palaces that we might live like the welfare queens of old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Bill Maher does not believe in the germ theory of disease.</i></p>
	<p>ka. blink.</p>
	<p>yeah, I&#8217;m gonna have to ask for a quote there, skippy. </p>
	<p>aside: someone bumped the &#8220;Juggalo gay-basher psycho&#8221; thread today, which sort of reminded me.</p>
	<p>Bill Maher is what ICP is gonna be in another 20 years. They&#8217;re gonna have a late night &#8220;comedy talk show&#8221; called &#8220;raping bitches with bats&#8221; and have on the cream of the psycho right wing pundit crop, and anyone else they can possibly book to argue with them, no matter how low tier they are. They shall expound on the virtues of Faygo cola and how it&#8217;s totally unfair that after the &#8220;we&#8217;re sick of this crap&#8221; revolution of 2012, it&#8217;s impossible for anyone who doesn&#8217;t support universal health care and the ERA mark 2 (which includes clauses on sexuality in addition to gender) can&#8217;t get elected and how white males who wear stupid makeup are the ones who are really discriminated against.</p>
	<p>which is why they only get low tier liberals. because high tier liberals are busy building our socialist palaces that we might live like the welfare queens of old.
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		<title>by: Matt McIrvin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 21:55:03 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Bill Maher does not believe in the germ theory of disease.

He may be funny as hell, but I have no problems with people mocking him for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bill Maher does not believe in the germ theory of disease.</p>
	<p>He may be funny as hell, but I have no problems with people mocking him for that.
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		<title>by: S.H.</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/04/06/how-to-read-a-primer-for-tv-debate-show-fans/#comment-65876</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:41:17 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Hey, Amanda, I donâ€™t know if anyoneâ€™s actually stood up for Maher. I certainly am not aware (although I havenâ€™t been following the thread closely) of anyone whoâ€™s stood up to affirm Maherâ€™s hilarity.&quot;

Screw it, I think the guy has his moments. His stand up usually sucks but in the round table format he rocks. Is he sexist? Yup. Egotistical? Yup. Does he have some strange allegiance to Ann Coulter that just boggles the mind? Yup. But the show makes me laugh out loud, alot of times about stuff that makes me initially want to tear my hair out, so I watch it. It's cathartic in a way similar to John Stewart and alot of  blogs, although I think the similarities end there. 

I also personally think it's rather absurd to judge people based on the TV shows they enjoy. I don't worship at the feet of libertarians or egotistical men with Hugh Hefner fetishes, seldom if ever do I put that much thought into my television viewing habits, nor do most people I'd imagine. I have the ability to separate what entertains me from what influences my personal belief system, and I certainly hope I'm not alone in that talent. 

In other words I don't demand that every personality, comedian and/or commentator constantly adhere to my personal and political viewpoints in order to deem them worthy of performing. Last time I checked people find different things funny and seldom is it a window into their ethical system and/or intellectual aptitude. More often than not, it's just a matter of taste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Hey, Amanda, I donâ€™t know if anyoneâ€™s actually stood up for Maher. I certainly am not aware (although I havenâ€™t been following the thread closely) of anyone whoâ€™s stood up to affirm Maherâ€™s hilarity.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Screw it, I think the guy has his moments. His stand up usually sucks but in the round table format he rocks. Is he sexist? Yup. Egotistical? Yup. Does he have some strange allegiance to Ann Coulter that just boggles the mind? Yup. But the show makes me laugh out loud, alot of times about stuff that makes me initially want to tear my hair out, so I watch it. It&#8217;s cathartic in a way similar to John Stewart and alot of  blogs, although I think the similarities end there. </p>
	<p>I also personally think it&#8217;s rather absurd to judge people based on the TV shows they enjoy. I don&#8217;t worship at the feet of libertarians or egotistical men with Hugh Hefner fetishes, seldom if ever do I put that much thought into my television viewing habits, nor do most people I&#8217;d imagine. I have the ability to separate what entertains me from what influences my personal belief system, and I certainly hope I&#8217;m not alone in that talent. </p>
	<p>In other words I don&#8217;t demand that every personality, comedian and/or commentator constantly adhere to my personal and political viewpoints in order to deem them worthy of performing. Last time I checked people find different things funny and seldom is it a window into their ethical system and/or intellectual aptitude. More often than not, it&#8217;s just a matter of taste.
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		<title>by: Rumblelizard</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:14:56 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Hate to ruin it for you, Amanda, but jokes are funny. &lt;/i&gt;

...and those who cannot do, teach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Hate to ruin it for you, Amanda, but jokes are funny. </i></p>
	<p>&#8230;and those who cannot do, teach.
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		<title>by: Tony the Pony</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/04/06/how-to-read-a-primer-for-tv-debate-show-fans/#comment-65834</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:43:37 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey, Amanda, I don't know if anyone's actually stood up for Maher.  I certainly am not aware (although I haven't been following the thread closely) of anyone who's stood up to affirm Maher's hilarity.  

I mean, if you want to argue that you're being set upon by touchy Maher fans who just don't get the joke (the irony of that defense, of course, is unbearable), hey, it's your sandbox.  But it's not exactly respectable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hey, Amanda, I don&#8217;t know if anyone&#8217;s actually stood up for Maher.  I certainly am not aware (although I haven&#8217;t been following the thread closely) of anyone who&#8217;s stood up to affirm Maher&#8217;s hilarity.  </p>
	<p>I mean, if you want to argue that you&#8217;re being set upon by touchy Maher fans who just don&#8217;t get the joke (the irony of that defense, of course, is unbearable), hey, it&#8217;s your sandbox.  But it&#8217;s not exactly respectable.
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		<title>by: Tony the Pony</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/04/06/how-to-read-a-primer-for-tv-debate-show-fans/#comment-65833</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:39:09 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Hate to ruin it for &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt;, Amanda, but jokes are &lt;i&gt;funny&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hate to ruin it for <i>you</i>, Amanda, but jokes are <i>funny</i>.
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		<title>by: Pierce</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/04/06/how-to-read-a-primer-for-tv-debate-show-fans/#comment-65801</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:41:56 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>He has his moments(1), but thereâ€™s no mistaking it. Bill Maher is a hack. Itâ€™s an inarguable conclusion(2)â€“as soon as he named a TV show â€œPolitically Incorrectâ€?, there was no redemption from the Annals of Hackery(3), even if forevermore(4) he wrote nothing but incisive, original jokes(5). â€œPolitically incorrectâ€? is possibly the most asinine slang phrase in the history of the world(6), and Scott Lemieux has found killer evidence(7) that the phrase has no relationship to reality, not that anyone here ever thought it did.(8)

1) After calling Maher a â€œhackâ€? in the post title, I immediately undermine my own statement to alert the slower members of the audience that this is probably a bit of facetiousness on my part.
1a) And here I thought this was standard-issue liberal/progressive &quot;being fair despite the undermining of my argument&quot; an effect never seen on the Right.

2) Thereâ€™s no way that this could be inarguable, as is evidenced by the comments. This statement is standard-issue hyperbole.
2a) Of course things are inarguable: the Red States' superiority, the right of elitist right-wing mouth breathers to insist they speak for the common man, BushCo's infallability ...

3) Massive hyperbole.
3a) I thought Amazon wrote me an e-mail offering this for pre-purchase. Must be all those O'Reilly books (The tech guy, not the loofahmaniac)

4) Silly word to indicate that this is Teh Funny.
4a) This looked like one of those high-faluting literary references, maybe to Ethan Allan Poe, who cut off his ear when the laudunum ran out or something, I dunno, couldn't stay away ... yawn ... in English ... yawn ... class ... zzzzzz

5) No one can be incisive and original 100% of the time. More hyperbole.
5a) Except BushCo, and me

6) Hyperbole.
6a) C'mon, something has to be the most asinine phrase. Why not &quot;politically incorrect&quot;? 

7) Notice that Iâ€™m moving away from the subject of Bill Maher. This might indicate I only used his TV show title as a hook to amuse the audience.
7a) Oh, yeah, we love hooks. And whips. And chains. Hurt's so good ... C'mon baby now make it hurt so good ... Sometimes love don't feel like it should 

8) At this point, careful readers will notice that Iâ€™ve dropped the topic of Bill Maher altogether and have moved onto the meat of the post.
8a) Careful readers?!? LSHMSOMNACAEFITIAIOP! (Laughing so hard milk shoots out my nose and causes an eletrical fire in the inkjet all-in-one printer!) This is a blog, baby. We don't read carefully. We read while running with scissors, into traffic without looking and with (only) unclean underwear on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>He has his moments(1), but thereâ€™s no mistaking it. Bill Maher is a hack. Itâ€™s an inarguable conclusion(2)â€“as soon as he named a TV show â€œPolitically Incorrectâ€?, there was no redemption from the Annals of Hackery(3), even if forevermore(4) he wrote nothing but incisive, original jokes(5). â€œPolitically incorrectâ€? is possibly the most asinine slang phrase in the history of the world(6), and Scott Lemieux has found killer evidence(7) that the phrase has no relationship to reality, not that anyone here ever thought it did.(8)</p>
	<p>1) After calling Maher a â€œhackâ€? in the post title, I immediately undermine my own statement to alert the slower members of the audience that this is probably a bit of facetiousness on my part.<br />
1a) And here I thought this was standard-issue liberal/progressive &#8220;being fair despite the undermining of my argument&#8221; an effect never seen on the Right.</p>
	<p>2) Thereâ€™s no way that this could be inarguable, as is evidenced by the comments. This statement is standard-issue hyperbole.<br />
2a) Of course things are inarguable: the Red States&#8217; superiority, the right of elitist right-wing mouth breathers to insist they speak for the common man, BushCo&#8217;s infallability &#8230;</p>
	<p>3) Massive hyperbole.<br />
3a) I thought Amazon wrote me an e-mail offering this for pre-purchase. Must be all those O&#8217;Reilly books (The tech guy, not the loofahmaniac)</p>
	<p>4) Silly word to indicate that this is Teh Funny.<br />
4a) This looked like one of those high-faluting literary references, maybe to Ethan Allan Poe, who cut off his ear when the laudunum ran out or something, I dunno, couldn&#8217;t stay away &#8230; yawn &#8230; in English &#8230; yawn &#8230; class &#8230; zzzzzz</p>
	<p>5) No one can be incisive and original 100% of the time. More hyperbole.<br />
5a) Except BushCo, and me</p>
	<p>6) Hyperbole.<br />
6a) C&#8217;mon, something has to be the most asinine phrase. Why not &#8220;politically incorrect&#8221;? </p>
	<p>7) Notice that Iâ€™m moving away from the subject of Bill Maher. This might indicate I only used his TV show title as a hook to amuse the audience.<br />
7a) Oh, yeah, we love hooks. And whips. And chains. Hurt&#8217;s so good &#8230; C&#8217;mon baby now make it hurt so good &#8230; Sometimes love don&#8217;t feel like it should </p>
	<p>8) At this point, careful readers will notice that Iâ€™ve dropped the topic of Bill Maher altogether and have moved onto the meat of the post.<br />
8a) Careful readers?!? LSHMSOMNACAEFITIAIOP! (Laughing so hard milk shoots out my nose and causes an eletrical fire in the inkjet all-in-one printer!) This is a blog, baby. We don&#8217;t read carefully. We read while running with scissors, into traffic without looking and with (only) unclean underwear on!
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		<title>by: Eric Jaffa</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2006/04/06/how-to-read-a-primer-for-tv-debate-show-fans/#comment-65777</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:39:00 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>God forbid that people who like a performer object to his being called a &quot;hack.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>God forbid that people who like a performer object to his being called a &#8220;hack.&#8221;
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