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		<title>by: Allen</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2005/07/23/stop-the-presses/#comment-278432</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 13:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Left or right...who cares.  It all boils down not to what we say we would do in certain circumstances, but rather what we really do when that time comes.  You say because of HIV you would never give mouth-to-mouth to someone in an accident and you label those who do as busybodies.  But when faced with the real life and death situation I don't think you really know what you would do...just what you think you would do.

The same with pain.  It is great to say you should or should not have access to to certain medications and that sounds great.  But what happens when you fall prey to bone cancer and the gut-wrenching pain (constant) that accompanies it?  Laying there in pure mortal agony do you really think you would vote to do away with morpheine or any other opiate that might possible give you a few moments of relief?  I think not.

Our country and our lawmakers need to practice more understanding and less condemnation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Left or right&#8230;who cares.  It all boils down not to what we say we would do in certain circumstances, but rather what we really do when that time comes.  You say because of HIV you would never give mouth-to-mouth to someone in an accident and you label those who do as busybodies.  But when faced with the real life and death situation I don&#8217;t think you really know what you would do&#8230;just what you think you would do.</p>
	<p>The same with pain.  It is great to say you should or should not have access to to certain medications and that sounds great.  But what happens when you fall prey to bone cancer and the gut-wrenching pain (constant) that accompanies it?  Laying there in pure mortal agony do you really think you would vote to do away with morpheine or any other opiate that might possible give you a few moments of relief?  I think not.</p>
	<p>Our country and our lawmakers need to practice more understanding and less condemnation.
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		<title>by: karpad</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2005/07/23/stop-the-presses/#comment-15114</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:09:41 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;What's that saying about a libertarian being a conservative who wants to smoke dope?&lt;/i&gt;

or visit hookers.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>What&#8217;s that saying about a libertarian being a conservative who wants to smoke dope?</i></p>
	<p>or visit hookers.
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		<title>by: Nick Kiddle</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2005/07/23/stop-the-presses/#comment-15113</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:51:22 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>What's that saying about a libertarian being a conservative who wants to smoke dope?

I'm not saying it's accurate, but doesn't it describe 90% of self-identified libertarians fairly well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What&#8217;s that saying about a libertarian being a conservative who wants to smoke dope?</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s accurate, but doesn&#8217;t it describe 90% of self-identified libertarians fairly well?
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		<title>by: Garnet</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2005/07/23/stop-the-presses/#comment-15112</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:26:41 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;UK doctors are like that too&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, so are Canadian doctors.  While my dad was waiting for surgery to fix a hernia, he had to outright scream at the doctors to get something more than freaking Tylenol 3's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>UK doctors are like that too</i></p>
	<p>Yeah, so are Canadian doctors.  While my dad was waiting for surgery to fix a hernia, he had to outright scream at the doctors to get something more than freaking Tylenol 3&#8217;s.
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		<title>by: Jayanne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2005/07/23/stop-the-presses/#comment-15111</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:18:18 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>UK doctors are like that too, mothworm; seriously irrational is the politest way of describing it.  But the way your grandmother is being treated is particularly thoughtless and cruel, and I am really sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>UK doctors are like that too, mothworm; seriously irrational is the politest way of describing it.  But the way your grandmother is being treated is particularly thoughtless and cruel, and I am really sorry.
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		<title>by: mothworm</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2005/07/23/stop-the-presses/#comment-15110</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:13:19 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>My grandmother is 94 years old. She's survived two heart-attacks and three cancers. For the past year, she's eaten with the aid of a tube in her stomach. And yet, every month, she has to go and argue with her doctor to give her another prescription for sleeping pills, because he's worried about their &quot;addictiveness&quot;.

I say, if you've made it past 80, you should get whatever drug you want, free, in the mail, every week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My grandmother is 94 years old. She&#8217;s survived two heart-attacks and three cancers. For the past year, she&#8217;s eaten with the aid of a tube in her stomach. And yet, every month, she has to go and argue with her doctor to give her another prescription for sleeping pills, because he&#8217;s worried about their &#8220;addictiveness&#8221;.</p>
	<p>I say, if you&#8217;ve made it past 80, you should get whatever drug you want, free, in the mail, every week.
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		<title>by: mythago _</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2005/07/23/stop-the-presses/#comment-15109</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:37:46 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;But he's pretty inconsistent for a libertarian&lt;/i&gt;

Exactly. He's not really a libertarian. He's just somebody who apes Libertarian philosophy when what they really mean is &quot;the government shouldn't make ME do anything that I want to do.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>But he&#8217;s pretty inconsistent for a libertarian</i></p>
	<p>Exactly. He&#8217;s not really a libertarian. He&#8217;s just somebody who apes Libertarian philosophy when what they really mean is &#8220;the government shouldn&#8217;t make ME do anything that I want to do.&#8221;
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		<title>by: mwg</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2005/07/23/stop-the-presses/#comment-15108</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:21:57 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>How can I put this delicately? Fuck you if you would have taken the morphine away from my dying mother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>How can I put this delicately? Fuck you if you would have taken the morphine away from my dying mother.
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		<title>by: Derelict</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2005/07/23/stop-the-presses/#comment-15107</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:57:47 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>The DEA's war on doctors is a travesty.

Not too many years ago, a friend of mine lay dying from breast cancer. As she writhed in agony, literally wailing because of the pain, her doctor refused to give her more morphine. Why? Because he'd already had several threatening visits from DEA because he wrote more pain-killer prescriptions than DEA guidelines allowed. Nevermind that his specialty was dealing with end-stage cancer patients.

Thus, in of protecting us from the evils of drugs are thousands sentenced to mortal agony.

If you want a real laugh, go back and look at the Congressional &quot;debate&quot; over whether to allow terminal cancer patients to be administered heroin. Marvel at such leading Democratic lights as Charley Rangel wondering &quot;what kind of message does it send the children&quot; if we allow dying people access to effective painkillers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The DEA&#8217;s war on doctors is a travesty.</p>
	<p>Not too many years ago, a friend of mine lay dying from breast cancer. As she writhed in agony, literally wailing because of the pain, her doctor refused to give her more morphine. Why? Because he&#8217;d already had several threatening visits from DEA because he wrote more pain-killer prescriptions than DEA guidelines allowed. Nevermind that his specialty was dealing with end-stage cancer patients.</p>
	<p>Thus, in of protecting us from the evils of drugs are thousands sentenced to mortal agony.</p>
	<p>If you want a real laugh, go back and look at the Congressional &#8220;debate&#8221; over whether to allow terminal cancer patients to be administered heroin. Marvel at such leading Democratic lights as Charley Rangel wondering &#8220;what kind of message does it send the children&#8221; if we allow dying people access to effective painkillers.
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		<title>by: ol cranky</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2005/07/23/stop-the-presses/#comment-15106</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:20:38 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2005/07/23/stop-the-presses/#comment-15106</guid>
					<description>Sadly, the Pain as the 5th vital sign has not gotten around to enough physicians - in general, the GP's that won't refer their chronic pain patients to pain specialists.  To make matters worse, the FDA still has not incentivized pharma companies who develop pain meds to develop abuse limiting formulations by allowing labeling/promotion to physicians to that effect (though I know for a fact at least one company is working on those types of formulations with a partner &amp; a couple of small biotechs were trying, unsuccessfully, to develop other opioids that act peripherally w/o the CNS effects).  On bright spot is the fact that about 4 years ago, the FDA finally started to acknowledge a class of users (real chronic pain patients legitimately using very high doses) as &quot;aberrant users&quot; instead of &quot;abusers&quot;; more recently, the DEA is decided it will review NDA submission data concurrently with the FDA.

In general, those who become addicted to and abuse the opioids do so with inappropriate use of extended release formulations - they crush, grind or otherwise adulterate them to get high and then we have people attacking pharma for creating these drugs (there are a lot of things to attack pharma for, this is not one of them) and creating these addicts (or someone who dies after first inappropriate use of them) instead of putting responsibility where it's due. Case in point, palladone (a very potent once/day formulation of hydromorphone) was just pulled because of all the folks who died using it. ..it seems the people who died drank alcohol with the drug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sadly, the Pain as the 5th vital sign has not gotten around to enough physicians - in general, the GP&#8217;s that won&#8217;t refer their chronic pain patients to pain specialists.  To make matters worse, the FDA still has not incentivized pharma companies who develop pain meds to develop abuse limiting formulations by allowing labeling/promotion to physicians to that effect (though I know for a fact at least one company is working on those types of formulations with a partner &#038; a couple of small biotechs were trying, unsuccessfully, to develop other opioids that act peripherally w/o the CNS effects).  On bright spot is the fact that about 4 years ago, the FDA finally started to acknowledge a class of users (real chronic pain patients legitimately using very high doses) as &#8220;aberrant users&#8221; instead of &#8220;abusers&#8221;; more recently, the DEA is decided it will review NDA submission data concurrently with the FDA.</p>
	<p>In general, those who become addicted to and abuse the opioids do so with inappropriate use of extended release formulations - they crush, grind or otherwise adulterate them to get high and then we have people attacking pharma for creating these drugs (there are a lot of things to attack pharma for, this is not one of them) and creating these addicts (or someone who dies after first inappropriate use of them) instead of putting responsibility where it&#8217;s due. Case in point, palladone (a very potent once/day formulation of hydromorphone) was just pulled because of all the folks who died using it. ..it seems the people who died drank alcohol with the drug.
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